Talk:Sean Combs/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Add to Category:Violence against women in the United States

Given the recent video that was leaked, Combs qualifies to be in this category. 150.143.27.147 (talk) 14:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I disagree with this idea. Pretty much every individual listed there is a serial killer. — Diannaa (talk) 15:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

New photo

Proposed image

current image

I propose this newer updated photo of Combs, it's better because you can actually see his eyes and he is not looking down, unlike the current photo. Can we reach a consensus on this Cena332 (talk) 17:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

I didn't noticed that there was a discussion on changing the image and I made the mistake of adding a picture I found. But here it is Shoot for the Stars (talk) 02:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC): proposed image|thumb

Non-free photos of living people are not allowed. We have to use a compatibly-licensed image. So File:Sean Combs 2018.jpeg is not ok. I like the idea of a screen shot from the YouTube video, but he looks quote awful in the one you uploaded. Can you find and upload a better example? — Diannaa (talk) 12:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Grammar Correction

The word "formally" in the first sentence should be changed to "formerly"

"...known by his stage names Diddy, P. Diddy, and **formerly** Puff Daddy and Puffy". Dman7456 (talk) 21:19, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

"Puffy" was never used as a stage name, and he retired the P. Diddy name in 2005. Cena332 (talk) 00:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh he retired the name p Diddy in 2005. Didn't know that. Only know Diddy because of the Tupac and biggie thing in the 1990s. Barely know anything he did in the 2000s. What if I say "known by his stage name Diddy, (and formally Puff Daddy and P. Diddy)" HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 01:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

References

because I don't think the article should say known by stage names p Diddy and puff daddy if he retired those names. It should say formerly so people know he retired those names HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 01:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

HumansRightsIsCool I'm ok with that. However i would recommend using the newest first. "...known by his stage name Diddy, and formerly P. Diddy and Puff Daddy is an American rapper, record producer and record executive." Is that ok with you? Cena332 (talk) 01:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 01:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok great i will change it on behalf of you. --Cena332 (talk) 01:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Why are we saying he retired these names if people and his peers still address him as P. Diddy or Puff? Orlandus 426 (talk) 00:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

@Orlandus 426 Please still call X twitter and it's not called that anymore. Just because people called him puffy, puff, or puff daddy doesn't mean that's still his name, he doesn't call himself that and that's the important thing HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 01:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry In my example I meant "people still call X twitter", English isn't my first language HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 01:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

What he is known as is also important, not just what he says. This is especially true for pop culture figures. We wouldn't remove "Kanye West" from the wikipedia page just because he changed his name to Ye. Perhaps it could simply be (AKA P. Diddy, Puffy, etc) to avoid this point of contention. 157.131.201.196 (talk) 05:17, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Page title

Shouldn't his page be titled P. Diddy instead of Sean Combs per COMMONNAME? Similar to how R. Kelly's page isn't called "Robert Kelly". 150.143.27.147 (talk) 12:49, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, yes it should. 2600:1700:5240:E50:5589:C5FC:552B:37B4 (talk) 04:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2024

Change children to include Christian Combs by mother Kim Porter 2600:100C:B00E:91CA:0:3F:D0B1:4B01 (talk) 13:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 23:08, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Tubi documentary

It needs to be added that on April 28, 2024, Tubi released a documentary with interviews from people such as Aubrey O'Day of Danity Kane, titled "TMZ Presents: The Downfall of Diddy". 2600:6C64:7B7F:9FD6:B9B2:8439:ECEF:F3F0 (talk) 01:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 16 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 07:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Sean Combs → P. Diddy – Many major sources refer to Combs as "P. Diddy" or "Diddy", like https://www.complex.com/music/a/backwoodsaltar/50-cent-why-people-silent-diddy https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/12/magazine/diddy-sean-combs.html and https://www.vibe.com/news/entertainment/50-cent-hip-hops-silence-diddy-party-tapes-accusations-1234905385/ Frankoceanreal (talk) 16:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Frost 18:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. None of these three examples use "P. Diddy", your suggested title. The New York Times article used "Combs" 82 times and "Diddy" only three times. Vibe uses Diddy 5 times and Combs twice. — Diannaa (talk) 20:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support though maybe simply "Diddy" would make more sense. Rovingrobert (talk) 10:36, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

A previous discussion determined that Sean Combs is not the primary topic for "Diddy". 162 etc. (talk) 15:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Hmm, we even have a disambiguation page at that location. — Diannaa (talk) 16:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Fine, P. Diddy it is. Rovingrobert (talk) 23:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support, with a preference to move to Diddy, per nom. Sources that use 'Sean Combs' usually note some 'aka P. Diddy', but don't generally do the same the other way around. Svampesky (talk) 18:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. Complex and Vibe are magazines specializing in hip-hop culture, so of course "Diddy" will be how they primarily refer to him. From how far I could get to in the Times (I hate paywalls), the first sentence referred to him as "Sean Combs"; I therefore request unbiased notable sources that prove Diddy is the WP:COMMONNAME. Tom Danson (talk) 20:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Fun fact: you can get around the NY Times paywall by plugging the url into Earwig's tool and comparing with any random article. — Diannaa (talk) 01:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. It seems the sources brought forth are only accounting for the past year, while Mr. Combs has had an ongoing career wherein he referred to himself as other names. I’m sure in a few months, someone will suggest changing the article title to one of those, as well. For the sake of consistency, and per WP:COMMONNAME, retaining the current article is the reasonable thing to do. Pillow da Don (talk) 22:03, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per User:Pillow da Don. WP:COMMONNAME very much applies in keeping the article's name as is. JeffSpaceman (talk) 23:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Support. I have heard the term P. Diddy more often than Sean Combs. {{The Sharpest Lives|💬|✏️|ℹ️}} 22:32, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

And I've heard Puff Daddy more than P Diddy...so what's your point? His name is Sean Combs. He used several names as a performer, but one thing has always been consistent. His name is Sean Combs. --Onorem (talk) 18:41, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Having just sifted through most of the recent Sean Combs articles on Google News, the majority use either Diddy, Sean Combs, or Sean "Diddy" Combs. I don't think it can be said that "P. Diddy" is the WP:COMMONNAME. There's a better case for Diddy, sure, but given the abundance of names Combs used in his career, avoiding a stage name as the title probably results in less pointless squabbling as to which one he's best known as. Nohomersryan (talk) 00:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Name

He still goes by Puff Daddy. @Cena332 told me he retired that name in 2001 but he released a mixtape in 2015 under the Puff Daddy name. A lot of people today still call him Puffy or Puff Daddy in addition to Diddy, so it should be "or Puff Daddy" not "formerly Puff Daddy". JuanBoss105 (talk) 14:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

A stage name is different than a artist name. He briefly returned under the Puff Daddy name in 2015 for a mixtape. At the MTV Video Music Awards he opened as Diddy. You say "He still goes by Puff Daddy." His social media listed is under @Diddy, His website is called Diddy. The name has been retired since 2001. From March 2001; "No more Puff Daddy," he told viewers of an MTV music show. [1] Cena332 (talk) 16:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

The statememt is worded "also known by...", and he is still known by that name. Regardless of Combs' thoughts on the subject, a lot of people, including people in the media, still use that name. — Diannaa (talk) 23:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Youre argument of using that statement from 2001 doesnt hold water because he released a mixtape in 2015 as Puff Daddy, so if he really retired that name in 2001, he wouldve released that mixtape as Diddy. Do people know him as Diddy? Yes. Do people know him as Puff Daddy? Yes. I agree with @Diannaa, and I propose that you take out formerly and put also known as Puff Daddy. Regular people acknowledge him as Diddy, P. Diddy, Puff, Puffy, Puff Daddy, etc., so to put formerly isn't right. JuanBoss105 (talk) 02:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

People can still acknowledge you by your former name. I don’t believe a brief return under the Puff Daddy name for a mixtape is WP:NOTABLE. And to the other names, people still acknowledge him by those names, that’s why we have a other names section. I will get HumansRightsIsCool involved, since he was the one to suggest formerly in the lead. Cena332 (talk) 16:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

He hasn't used the name puff daddy since 2015. Since he retired the name, it should say formerly puff Daddy. There's a reason why the English word "formerly" exists HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 16:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

And saying people still call him puff daddy today is original research @JuanBoss105 HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 16:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

What proof do you have that he has retired that name since 2015? Do you have any? Guarantee you don't. JuanBoss105 (talk) 17:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

The proof is he hasn't officially used the name in 9 years. And he only used the name one time in 2015. Before they he hasn't used the name in a decade is what I was told on this platform. And why do you even care so much it says "formerly puff daddy" HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 18:31, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I meant to say "before that" not "before they" sorry for the grammar issues btw HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 18:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Also more proof is he doesn't go by "puff daddy" on any social media platforms. It's always @Diddy. He hasn't called himself puff since 2015 which was like 9 years ago HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 18:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Why does he have so many aliases? Why does he keep changing his name? The article provides no clue. It should be explained. It looks suspicious otherwise. 2A00:23C8:8F8A:B700:4D77:56CF:CC6F:A21 (talk) 20:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Edit: correcting false information about Forbes and Sean Combs

Forbes never named Sean Combs a billionaire in 2022 or any other year: https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/ If you search "Sean Combs" in the Forbes billionaire directory, you will get no return result. Former Forbes entertainment editor Zack O'Malley Greenburg wrote in his personal Substack in 2022 that Sean Combs was a billionaire: https://zogblog.substack.com/p/hip-hops-wealthiest-artists-2022 At the time of Greenburg's Substack publication, he was no longer working for Forbes and arrived at his net worth valuation of Sean Combs independently. Greenburg's valuation was picked up in the press, including the one of the source links incorrectly citing Forbes as the source of the $1 billion valuation in this Wiki page: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/jay-z-kanye-west-diddy-hip-hop-wealthiest-artists-2022-1234620142/ The BBC story linked states Diageo paid Combs over $1 billion through the lifetime of their relationship, and not that Combs himself is worth $1 billion. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68002039 Nelliefly (talk) 16:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I an unable to view Greenburg's article, because the blog is subscription only. So I am unable to verify what's going on. I have left the data in the article but have attributed it to Greenburg rather than Forbes as a whole. — Diannaa (talk) 18:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Diannaa, here is an archived copy of the blog in question. It's accessible without a subscription block notice, just click on "let me read it first". Isaidnoway (talk) 13:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

I deleted that he is a billionaire based on a Forbes cover story ("Inside The Rubble Of Diddy's Empire") from June 2024 by a staff reporter that refutes the claim. (Paywalled but the snippet appears in search.) JSFarman (talk) 17:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Religion

Please add that he is a nondenominational christian according to this source.

[2]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/i-haven-t-succeeded-at-love-a-rare-audience-with-rap-legend-p-diddy-2188800.html 164.119.5.58 (talk) 21:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

That article is thirteen years old, and may not reflect his current views on religion. So no, I am not in favor of this addition. — Diannaa (talk) 18:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

More context added to the first introductory paragraph

The first paragraph of a long article such as this serves as a brief summary, introduction, and signpost to the main points to be found later in the article. Currently the introduction and first few paragraphs are very one-sided, and given that many readers do not look much further may thus introduce an unreasonable bias for casual readers. My suggestion is to add a single sentence at the end of the first paragraph stating that "Combs is currently awaiting trial for sex trafficking and racketeering, and has been the subject of a number of sexual misconduct allegations". 2603:7080:A400:4300:734D:3C2F:94C0:8C76 (talk) 15:10, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree. His arrest and the sexual assault and abuse (not misconduct) allegations are far more significant than "two MTV Video Music Awards, an MTV VMA Global Icon Award in 2023, and a Guinness World Record for "Most Successful Rap Producer" in 1997." JSFarman (talk) 02:22, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done An editor has taken care of this. — Diannaa (talk) 18:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2024

Change “No diddy” to “Free diddy” 2601:441:8280:45B0:9C3B:1BC5:231B:94F8 (talk) 21:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 21:05, 25 September 2024 (UTC)