Talk:Sebastián Kindelán y O'Regan

Confusion in the name

There are many websites that I have consulted that confuse the names of Sebastian Kindelán y Oregón with Sebastian Kindelan and O'Regan. However, it is likely that they were the same person, because not only are no pages that mention that the first of them was governor of Cuba, the Dominican Republic and East Florida, but also, there are pages that mention the latter of them as governor the same areas during the same years and the same months as the first of them. Two people could not be governors of Cuba and East Florida at the same time. To this we must add that both are considered of Irish origin and the name and first surname of the two is the same. This confusion over the names would not be so rare before the twentieth century for two reasons: At those at times, many people who heard someone's name and his name did not understand it well, writing about them, wrote their names as them they understood it. This caused that in the historical record, many people have multiple names (though similar) each, according to people who wrote about them. In addition, the Spanish did not know to many Irish at that time, so they tended not understand their names or surnames. Normal is that, Kindelan, to have Irish surnames, have different names for people who had heard of it. In addition, the first four letters of Oregon name coincide with the first four letters of the name O'Regan.--Isinbill (talk) 23:45, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

There is a Brigadier General Kindelan mentioned in the article about Evacuation of the La Romana Division from Denmark in 1808. Was this the same man or a relation? Is any more known? Viking1808 (talk) 16:15, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

It is clear from the Kindelan family website that there are two brothers Sebastian and Juan (or Jean). To me, it appears that Sebastian had his career in Cuba and the Americas, whilst Jean served in Europe ( and was thus the commander of Regiment Jose Napoleon from 1809 onwards). This would throw doubt on page 151 of reference number 3 in this article. Admittedly, my spanish is very poor! Any ideas? Clarification? Viking1808 (talk) 11:38, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Using the biography of Sebastián Kindelán by Manuel Kindelan Segura as a source

Being a descendant of Sebastián Kindelán does not make Segura a reliable source. Fortunately, I read Spanish fairly well, and it's plain to see that his "biography" is full of egregious misinformation. As noted in the summary of my reversion, just to name one example, Governor Enrique White, not Kindelán, ordered George J. F. Clarke to plat Fernandina in 1811, not 1814. This is a well-known, easily verifiable historical fact.

Segura's bio is non-scholarly, grossly inaccurate, and completely unreliable. Isinbill should fact-check his sources more carefully, especially web-based ones, which are notoriously unreliable and seldom useful unless published under the auspices of an academic institution. Carlstak (talk) 15:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)