Talk:Second cabinet of Donald Trump

Speculation section

I think it makes sense to create a section to show who is being speculated for positions. I know they may not be entirely reliable but many people are interested and I think it will consolidate news stories. Jgtrevor (talk) 02:48, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree 156.34.42.177 (talk) 06:48, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I was thinking about this as well, especially seeing how there's already a section covering speculative nominees in the Second presidency of Donald Trump#Cabinet article. Obviously every speculative nominee/person will have to be reliably sourced. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:00, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Unfortunately I will have to disagree with this one as speculation has been quite diverse and it would probably create too substantial an editing burden when the nominations will be confirmed soon regardless. Pseudoname1 (talk) 17:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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Marco Rubio

Multiple sources have confirmed that Marco Rubio is expected to be nominated as Secretary of State. We can rely on multiple news outlets, the source doesn't have to be Trump himself. It would be nice to have a conversation about this before undoing edits. Thanks. Jgtrevor (talk) 04:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd argue that a confirmation by Trump himself carries more weight than media sources in this case. If Rubio or Noem are really nominated, he'd have announced it already, until then, it's speculation. Helvianir (talk) 09:50, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. 68.7.223.154 (talk) 23:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

WSJ reports "Donald Trump has chosen Kristi Noem to lead the Department of Homeland Security, according to people familiar with the matter." Is this adequate confirmation to publish here? Irishbugs (talk) 12:58, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

No, it's not. It's not a confirmation by the Trump Transition Team or Trump himself on say, Truth Social, at all. Helvianir (talk) 17:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Stephen Miller

Since deputy chief of staff for policy is not a cabinet-level position, Stephen Miller should not be included on this page. Miller should be included on the Political appointments by Donald Trump in his second term page. --Lexicon Insight (talk) 14:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. Just removed him. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Kristi Noem is not yet confirmed by the camapign

She should be removed until an official statement from Trump/his campaign is made. Futuremaineretiree (talk) 14:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I disagree. This is how cabinet picks are made – through media reporting. Trump doesn't have to release a statement announcing each nominee. Jgtrevor (talk) 16:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, i hate to break it to you, neither Rubio nor Noem are announced by Trump himself. Helvianir (talk) 17:05, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Did any of the sources confirm it with Trump’s Press Team? 207.96.32.81 (talk) 19:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I really do think we should remove both Senator Rubio and Governor Noem. The New York Times articles about both note either that "Mr. Trump could still change his mind at the last minute" (about Rubio) or, in the case of Noem, that "[a] Trump spokesman did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment." Yes, per WP:CRYSTALBALL, predictions from reliable sources are allowed, but they are not, in this case, official. As such, absent official confirmation from the transition team or the President-elect himself, it would be WP:CRYSTALBALL for us to state otherwise, I think. — Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 23:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

We now have that statement. Trumpi (talk) 02:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Department of Government Efficiency

Trump has announced that Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will lead a "Department of Government Efficiency." Should we include this in the article? It's not clear to my knowledge whether this will be a new executive-branch department and Musk and Ramaswamy will be official members of the cabinet, but it still seems worthwhile to at least mention either way. DecafPotato (talk) 00:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

It should at least be mentioned somewhere. 156.34.42.177 (talk) 01:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

From the announcement, it appears as though they will be working with the Office of Management and Budget "from outside of Government", and it appears as though neither of them will be the Director of the Office of Management and Budget.

If the DOGE was to be a new executive-branch department, it is my understanding that Congress needs to pass a bill to create that department. Trumpi (talk) 02:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

In fact, the DOGE is being described as a Presidential Commission elsewhere. Trumpi (talk) 02:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

If that’s true, then I can’t see why it’s worth mentioning here. Perhaps it’s better mentioned under the political appointments article. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

It wont be in the official executive government, but rather an outside advisory commission. DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 12:04, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Source ? 2605:8D80:562:8355:DDA9:FE71:9AD2:F30D (talk) 19:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Heres one for you. https://www.vox.com/policy/384904/trumps-department-of-government-efficiency-sounds-like-a-joke-it-isnt DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 23:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

National Security Advisor

As to my knowledge, the NSA is cabinet-level.(?) I'm going to make an outside of the table space for him with the other nominees for now, but is it worth adding a spot in the table for him? DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 12:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Quite a good thought but it might be worth noting that the NSA does not appear in the table for the last three presidents: Cabinet of Joe Biden, First cabinet of Donald Trump, and Cabinet of Barack Obama. This caveat was also used before the table for Trump's 1st Cabinet: "Although some are afforded cabinet-level rank, non-cabinet members within the Executive Office of the President, such as White House Chief of Staff, National Security Advisor, and White House Press Secretary, do not hold constitutionally created positions and most do not require Senate confirmation for appointment." That said, it has not yet been determined whether the NSA will be deemed Cabinet-level and what you have put down provides a good level of information in the interim. Pseudoname1 (talk) 13:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Trump has heavily implied that it will be a Cabinet-level position. 2605:8D80:562:8355:DDA9:FE71:9AD2:F30D (talk) 16:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

“Heavily implied” is different than “officially”. We’ll have to wait until Trump makes a formal announcement and we’ll have to source it. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Prefix - former

We don't need to use the prefix "Former", as we're using 'end' dates. GoodDay (talk) 23:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

RFK Jr. home state

I know that during his presidential campaign and even when he ran for the Dem nomination and independently, there was some debate about RFK Jr.'s home state ranging from either D.C. to New York to California. Under the Third-party and independent candidates for the 2024 United States presidential election infobox, his home state is listed as NY. Not sure why he's listed from Massachusetts. Has a consensus been reached in other articles as to which home state is correct? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

• Update: Found this article from the NYT: "Battling a lawsuit challenging his right to be on the New York ballot, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Wednesday insisted that “I’m a New Yorker,” even though he has lived on the West Coast for the past decade." An another article that was reporting when he was kicked off the NY ballot: "The ruling was a blow to Mr. Kennedy’s independent campaign for president. The judge said that he had used a “sham” address to claim residency in New York. New York residency is especially important to Mr. Kennedy because his running mate, Nicole Shanahan, lists California as her home. Under a constitutional quirk, presidential and vice-presidential candidates who hail from the same state are ineligible to receive its electoral votes, and California, with its 54 electoral votes, is the biggest prize in the presidential election. Mr. Kennedy, 70, an environmental lawyer, spends most of his time at a home in Los Angeles that he shares with his wife, the actress Cheryl Hines. But the petitions circulated earlier this year in New York listed an address for him in Katonah, a hamlet about 45 miles north of New York City in Westchester County." So apparently he's not from NY and there's no evidence to suggest his current residency claim is Massachusetts (just because his family is from there, doesn't mean he is). So based on the NYT article is his home state California? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
  • @TDKR Chicago 101: 1) This Tweet from RFK Jr.'s account states "at my home on Cape Cod"; 2) Utah was the first state to grant Kennedy ballot access during his 2024 campaign and his Certificate of Nomination lists an address in Foxborough, Massachusetts; In RFK Jr.'s book about Dr. Fauci, he writes on p. 83 ~ "my hometown of Cape Cod, Massachusetts"; 4) In this YouTube video put out by RFK Jr. he states "I'm here at my house on Cape Cod in Hyannis Port [, Massachusetts]" 5) RFK Jr. spent most of childhood growing up in Massachusetts (in Cape Cod and Greater Boston) 2601:189:4102:36D0:38F6:534B:1164:6B8B (talk) 23:00, 15 November 2024 (UTC)