Talk:Secret Wars (2015 comic book)

Names of creative team and references

I think it would be great if creative team of each book with it's debuting date is written. Also reference must also be given for each title. --Shoxee1214 (talk) 22:03, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I've added a column for creative teams. I'm feeling a bit lazy to fill them all out, but I encourage any future contributors to add teams with new series. Insert90 (talk) 00:32, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Reference for use

Here's an article explaining what is exactly happening in Secret Wars and the larger effect it is going to have on the MU.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:15, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Comics Nexus has reported that Marvel announced following the Secret Wars several titles will re-launch as All New Marvel number 1's in a new single universe concept.173.238.35.121 (talk) 18:14, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

References

Prologue

Does anyone know why the link to Time Runs Out in the Prologue section links to the Wikipedia homepage? At one time it pointed to a non-existent article for Time Runs Out, but it's since been changed to the homepage. Jeremiah McGowan (talk) 11:58, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

It was changed by a user who seems to be unfamiliar with wikimarkup. I changed it back. I don't know if a separate article for Time Runs Out is needed though. Can't we cover it here? Reach Out to the Truth 18:38, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Plot Length

The article is tagged that the plot length is too long, and looking forward to the seven more titles in the main story and all of the associated titles, I can definitely agree. However, is there an agreed upon length for the plot of each chapter or the overall plot section? JMcGowan2 (talk) 19:28, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I condensed the summaries for the first two issues to include only the primary plot points, not individual beats within scenes. Whoever wrote this initially also really liked the words "himself" and "court," so I removed unnecessary usages of them. DMOinLA (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:21, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

A typical 32 page comic book can usually be summed up in about 4 to 6 sentences.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:49, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

A typical comic book is not of this scope! There is a difference between your average hero-fights-villain-the end, and, say, Crisis.
176.0.108.245 (talk) 00:08, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

The issue numbers do not matter as much as the overall story. All of the lead-up and spin-off series should be in their own articles and not this one. 74.243.154.125 (talk) 15:49, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I understand the points but removing the whole plot is ridiculous! Once the run ends then consolidate! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:181:C200:27CD:D899:2EFB:8FE7:A60E (talk) 18:35, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Really?!! This is the best the internet compendium can come up with?!! Wow. And I thought the brain trust at Fox Media was bad... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.168.61 (talk) 00:13, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I have edited down the issue plots as they were way way too long, also issue five's explanation of the creation of Battleworld made no sense so I've explained it better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.74.113.138 (talk) 17:03, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I've taken many passes through these summaries, and I think they are as short as they're going to get, without becoming incoherent. Can we remove the tag now?15:53, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Still seems really lengthy. There's a lot of namedropping and descriptions of events that could easily be cut without losing any understanding of the overall narrative.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 21:26, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

This article needs links to smaller articles.

Many sections can become smaller articles with Lists and "sub"-articles with detailed plots. The current article has a lot of information, but it's nigh-unreadable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.140.194.190 (talk) 01:56, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I completely agree with the length issue. The separate entries for "Crisis on Infinite Earths," as an example, do not include summaries of all of the tie-in stories (if they do include these summaries, the summaries are probably not as detailed as the ones here...). To use an example from Marvel, the entry for the series titled "Infinity Gauntlet" doesn't necessarily include summaries of all of the tie-ins, no? Marvel's editorial staff, for this event, consciously, and very astutely, avoids the major gripes with crossovers, namely that a reader is required to read the peripheral events to comprehend the main plot (Civil War comes to mind...). It seems from my reading that the main title stands alone, and I think it should as a Wikipedia entry as well. 2602:306:39D6:A0:F956:604E:F44E:F49A (talk) 11:45, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Plot

I understand the purpose of the recent edits by Drmies - the article was too long and needed to be cut back. I believe, however, that the cuts were excessive, and that the article is now too short rather than too long. Some at least of the removed material, relating to the main plot, could reasonably be restored. I suggest to TriiipleThreat that he should have found a way to preserve the main points of the main plot instead of removing it all again, as he did here. What rational purpose can it serve to remove all of the main plot? FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 01:56, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Drmies was correct, even the main plot was way out of line - too long to be fixed by copy editing. It needs to be rewritten entirely inline with Wikipedia guidelines.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 02:00, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Then why not do that instead of removing the whole thing? It's easier to rewrite the material if it is there in the article to rewrite. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 02:06, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

We do not keep inappropriate material until someone bothers to fix it. Also I wouldn't suggest using that mess as a starting point but it's in the article history if you want.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 02:09, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

• I don't have an answer here--but I tell you, usually I do try to fix those plot issues, when they are fixable. In this case that simply wasn't possible. I do appreciate y'all discussing this and I hope that a decent and acceptable can be written. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:42, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I am not sure why you're calling the material inappropriate - it may be fairly poor quality, but how is it inappropriate? FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 07:50, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

At +160K that plot summary was an egregious violation.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 10:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Yep: size matters. It's fan cruft, turning Wikipedia into Wikia. Drmies (talk) 14:36, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

When it comes to the sub-plots, the "Last Days" part details the days before the final Incursion. "Secret Wars: Battleworld" details about what goes on in Battleworld. "Secret Wars: Warzones" details about the different battles in Battleworld. We need to get the plots restored for each one because some of the Battleworld locations have their domains with no multiverse origin. Any objections? --Rtkat3 (talk) 14:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

• I have no idea what you're saying, but if you keep it encyclopedically brief, go for it. Drmies (talk) 14:41, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Judging from Rtkat3's recent edits, encyclopedic briefness definitely does not seem to be what he has in mind. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 09:54, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

• Holy shit. Thank you FreeKnowledgeCreator. Rtkat3, not acceptable. Drmies (talk) 14:29, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

If Last Days contains plot relevant to Secret Wars, try to include only that relevant plot. I don't care about the red in Black Widow's ledger. I want to know about her impact on the event. Reach Out to the Truth 13:19, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

What about the lead-ups seen in "Captain America and the Mighty Avengers," "Magneto," "Punisher," and "Silver Surfer." Those detailed what the characters were doing on the last days before the final incursion. --Rtkat3 (talk) 15:17, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I would be in favor of a compromise that preserves the main points of the plot but cuts out all the excess detail. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 00:12, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I noticed as was mentioned in above notes, that things were removed then readded. My question is, with things being somewhat put back to the way they were, where are the X-Men related story synopsis'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:181:C200:27CD:7480:2742:359C:CCD (talk) 14:25, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

The summaries for Issues 6 and 7 are unnecessarily dramatic and romanticised, since this is an encyclopedia. I thought I should address this so there can be some substantial changes.

Don't cut plot, instead split the article

The detailed description of the tie-ins plot should be moved to separate articles for invidividual series such as A-Force, with only headers and redirects kept in the main article. The event is simply too massive, with over 200 individual issues if you count all tie-ins, it's insanme to recap all that on one page. Even the fan wiki (yes, they have different rules, I know) only describes the plot of the main series on the main event page, with tie-ins described separately. Besides, many of the tie-ins have little to no effect on the event anyway. For example, Master of Kung Fu has already ended and it did not even reference Battleworld, Doom, Domains, Barons or Thors in any way. It it simply an Elseworld story, which plot should be moved to Shang-Chi#Other_versions, same for most other series (except Secret Wars: Battleworld and Secret Wars Journal, as they don't have those). Malachi108 (talk) 09:33, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

The K'un-L'un in the "Master of Kung Fu" series depicts a K'un-L'un from a reality where it's characters are known martial artists. They didn't even mention a Thor Corps member that was assigned to K'un-Lun. As for some of the different Battleworld domains, most of them don't have a designated Earth number assigned to them like the fragments of the Earths that make up Greenland, Technopolis, Arachnia, Spider-Island, the Warzone, New Xandar, and Arcadia to name a few. --Rtkat3 (talk) 15:17, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Splitting the page doesn't solve the core problem of the plots and other things that need to be basic summaries being bloated into dramatic blow by blow recounting of everything that transpires down to the minute details. -- Lord Crayak (talk) 18:09, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

I think that after each series ends people should go back to make a shorter plot, so instead making a paragraph per issue, it's a paragraph per series. I went to put the plot of one of them on a character page and was able to do it in less than five sentences, while on this article the plot was 3 paragraphs long. TheGnerd (talk) 22:29, 03 September 2015 (EST)

Issues 6 and 7

I removed these sections due to copyright violations. Please create new plot summaries for these issues without reusing the previous content. Reach Out to the Truth 18:04, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Unintelligible dribble. =

"Thanos finally makes his grand entrance. He is ready to wipe the floor with God Emperor Doom" Whoever is editing this article to make it sound like a cheesy fantasy novel needs to stop writing in endless cliches. Just saying.

I removed it. It was a copyright violation, swiped from this review. Reach Out to the Truth 16:15, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Issue 9

Is it me, or is there a bit of an edit war going on with people adding and removing the summary for issue 9? Over the past couple days a summary gets added in, which is fairly badly written, and then gets removed, only to be added back in, and so on and so on. Instead of deleting the summary completely, can someone who's read the issue just correct it and write it well? JMcGowan2 (talk) 14:45, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

I removed it because it was a copyright violation. If you look at the above threads, you'll see this is a recurring issue. I didn't rewrite it from scratch because I haven't read any of the main Secret Wars series. Reach Out to the Truth 22:28, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

In that case, thank you. I had a feeling this might be the case, but wasn't sure. JMcGowan2 (talk) 15:25, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Then how the hell are people going to know what happened at the end?! Are we supposed to wait until March to know about The Force Awakens? Or what about Captain America: Civil War the movie? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.154.66.134 (talk) 02:24, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

People will know what happens when someone writes a plot summary. It doesn't have to be me. It could be anyone. Reach Out to the Truth 06:07, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

But if you keep ERASING it then how will they know?

I won't delete it unless it's a copyright violation. The best way to do that is to read the comic and write a summary in your own words. Don't copy from other sites, and I won't delete it. Reach Out to the Truth 15:17, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

I think now that's all over they should edit the entire thing to make it read better than it does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.154.66.134 (talk) 21:02, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

If you've read the issues (I haven't either) then feel free to start editing. I did at one point try to shorten many of the story summaries, but people were adding to them faster than I could shorten. JMcGowan2 (talk) 15:25, 19 January 2016 (UTC)