Talk:Secretum (British Museum)

Latest comment: 29 days ago by 73.184.232.224 in topic 'Phallocentric', really?
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'Phallocentric', really?

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'In 1865 the antiquarian George Witt donated his phallocentric collection of 434 artefacts to the museum'.

The adjective links to Phallocentrism, which is defined there as 'the ideology that the phallus, or male sexual organ, is the central element in the organization of the social world'. I see no reason to believe that either Witt or the creators of the artefacts were adherents of such an ideology (one may discuss whether anyone is, but that's another matter). Not every image of a phallus has something to do with a 'phallocentric' ideology. If the idea is that Witt's collection happened to contain mostly phallic imagery, then that is what should be said. 62.73.72.3 (talk) 10:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, really. We follow what the sources say, not what we think we want it to say, and the sources say phallocentric. - SchroCat (talk) 10:27, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
I see your point, but I believe it may be a question of definition? How the book defines the term vs how Wikipedia defines the term. Is it a possibility to just remove the link to phallocentrism while keeping the term the book used? I could not find access to the source quickly, but if the book does not mention Witt's belief that the phallus 'is the central element in the organization of the social world', I do not believe it would be correct to ascribe that definition to him. I am not a professional editor here so if I am incorrect please let me know. 73.184.232.224 (talk) 13:12, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
The problem is that it's more than one source that describes the collection as phallocentric - and these are academic ones, which are the type we should always prefer. We can't ignore what they say. I think if someone removed the link, someone else would put it back in fairly quickly as a term that needs to be explained for most people. - SchroCat (talk) 13:15, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
That is fair, especially because multiple sources use the term. 73.184.232.224 (talk) 15:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply