Talk:Sedna

Requested move 28 October 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus (non-admin closure) Iffy★Chat -- 16:32, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

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Sedna → Sedna (disambiguation) – The dwarf planet is now recognized as an official dwarf planet and not just a candidate. Georgia guy (talk) 20:17, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Sedna may refer to:
• Sedna (mythology), the Inuit goddess of the sea
• 90377 Sedna, a minor planet, a trans-Neptunian object
• Sedna (beverage), a tonic wine, formerly made in Belfast
• Sedna (database), a native XML database
• Doriprismatica sedna, a species of nudibranch
• Sedna Finance, a structured investment vehicle
• Sedna Planitia, a landform on the planet Venus

What's the reason for this move? In ictu oculi (talk) 20:45, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Also: which link above should go to Sedna as part of this discussion? Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:04, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Iggy the Swan, the answer is the dwarf planet; as it would make sense if you read my argument carefully. None of the other articles in this dis-ambiguation page will change their names in response to this move. Georgia guy (talk) 21:11, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Indeed you did mention that. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:24, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

And is there any argument that it's not the primary meaning?? Georgia guy (talk) 21:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

• Weak support. Either the dwarf planet or the original Inuit goddess is clearly the primary topic. The beverage and the database don't seem to be as notable, and the rest are not even named just "Sedna" but have more complex names instead. JIP | Talk 23:46, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose There seems to be no primary topic, unless one is into astronomy, which can bias the equation. WP:DPT says: "There are no absolute rules for determining whether a primary topic exists." It seems unlikely that in a normal year, i.e. one in which there isn't a news story about "recognition", that the dwarf planet would rate a high level of searches. --Bejnar (talk) 00:44, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

  Bejnar, which meaning do you think will get more searches than the dwarf planet?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:49, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

In a normal year, I do not expect the planet to get substantially more than the rest combined. There are no criteria, but that is one of the proposed criteria. --Bejnar (talk) 00:53, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Why?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:54, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Historically, it was Sedna Finance that got the most searches. These things cycle. No clear winner. --Bejnar (talk) 00:56, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

I doubt it will get many searches. It has been defunct for 14 years and was always called Sedna Finance, never plain Sedna, right?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Actually it was called "Sedna"; but you miss my point, any of the other Sednas are just as likely to suddenly "bloom" as did Sedna in 2007, say a recall in softdrinks, or a new fly-by on Venus. As the sixth largest TNO after Pluto, Sedna is not particularly of general interest, even though Michael E. Brown thinks that it is the most scientifically important TNO found to date, because understanding its unusual orbit is likely to yield valuable information about the origin and early evolution of the Solar System. --Bejnar (talk) 01:53, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose? — even as an astronomy fan, I'd say keeping the disambiguation page at the basename might be the safest bet for now. Not sure. Paintspot Infez (talk) 07:38, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
• Weak oppose assuming this is a proposal to make the planet primary, the planet gets 10,698 views but the mythology gets 4,270[[1]] and the latter is only "Sedna" while the former has alternative names. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:15, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

  Crouch Swale, what alternate names are commonly used even today?? Do some people simply call it "Ultra-Eris"?? Georgia guy (talk) 12:09, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

  The article is titled "90377 Sedna" which is an indication that that name must commonly be used even if it is commonly known by just "Sedna" and also the name of the planet comes from the mythology. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:13, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

  It's pretty common for journal articles to use the minor planet number in the title, and then drop it in the main text. See for example this paper: in the title it is "(90377) Sedna", later just "Sedna". Double sharp (talk) 18:56, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

  In case this wasn't clear from my post just above: I think this is evidence that "90377 Sedna" or "(90377) Sedna" is not really a name different from "Sedna". Rather it is "Sedna" with a serial number to clarify what object we are talking about. Double sharp (talk) 22:46, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

• Comment. Regarding the OP: Sedna isn't officially recognised by the IAU; it's just that it's become pretty clear that the IAU isn't doing official categorisation for dwarf planets anymore, and WP is just following the general consensus of astronomers (I collected some sources at User:Double sharp/Dwarf planets for Sedna, Gonggong, Quaoar, and Orcus; other objects are included only much more sporadically). That was a result of discussion at the recent Ceres FAC.
• As for the move itself, I support it (assuming that it comes with 90377 Sedna → Sedna, which seems to be generally being understood in this discussion). "90377 Sedna" is pretty formal; the number isn't really seen as part of the name. And per Crouch, Swale, the planetoid gets over twice as many hits as the goddess. Double sharp (talk) 19:05, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.