Talk:Seili (album)

Composition

Hi, could someone please browse through the web for reliable sources about the composition? (Themes, styles, vocal ranges, etc.) Thanks! -- Frous (talk) 19:49, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Discogs

Just as a note, I don't believe Discogs.com should be used as a source as all it's information is user-submitted, which would be against WP:RS. This information should be removed before it passes it's GA review. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:44, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

S*it. So I guess I have to find someone with the physical CD and its booklet... :P -- Frous (talk) 23:18, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Well for now, the Allmusic credits will do. I squeezed the tidbits about her playing the instruments from the other sources, too bad I couldn't find sources for the organ and flute and stuff... This OK? -- Frous (talk) 00:59, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Should be good. Sorry for the trouble on the discogs stuff. It's usually correct, but it doesn't make us look good when we use it. Allmusic is fine, but maybe use the Allrovi site as Allmusic will be moving to Allrovi soon anyways. Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:48, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Seili (album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: TRLIJC19 (talk · contribs · count) 15:19, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Starting... TRLIJC19 (talk) 15:19, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

I will review the article and list any existent issues below. TRLIJC19 (talk) 15:19, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Issues

• Names/Things without wikipedia pages should not be linked as they appear in red showing that there is no Wikipedia page for the name/thing. There are many names/things that are linked but have no WP page. These names/things are:

• • Jukka Immonen in 3 places
  • Teemu Brunila in 2 places
  • Rumba in 3 places
  • Stara in 3 places
  • Soundi in 3 places
  • Hannu Korkeamäki
  • Finnish Music Information Centre
  • Finnish Performing Music Promotion Centre
  • Pop Media
  • Otavamedia
  • Iskelmä
  • Me Naiset
  • A-lehdet
  • Stara Media

 Done Fixed. -- Frous (talk) 19:59, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

• In the quote, "Mariska knows well [Vartiainen's] darker, more philosophical side", "Vartiainen's" should not have brackets around it.
  

 Done Fixed. -- Frous (talk) 20:04, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

• In the first paragraph of "Background and Composition", "Dome.fi" should be italicized.

 Done Fixed. -- Frous (talk) 20:04, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

• In the second paragraph of "Background and composition", this line: "inspiration for the song while reading Indian erotic literature on her balcony on a hot summer day." should be changed to " inspiration for the song while reading Indian erotic literature on her balcony on a hot summer's day.

 Done Fixed. (Though I disagree, because I'd count summer day a compound word.) -- Frous (talk) 20:04, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you're right it could have been summer day but many readers might consider that wrong due to it usually being said "summer's day". TRLIJC19 (talk) 20:37, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

• In the first paragraph of "Critical Reception", in this sentence, "He complimented "En haluu kuolla tänä yönä" as "a brilliant pop song, suitable to be sung by a [then-]27-year-old Jenni Vartiainen who is enjoying her life", this line, "by a [then-]27-year-old" needs to be changed to "by a then 27-year-old".

 Not done Why I put the brackets is that "then" is not used in the actual source text. In other words, those are supposed to tell the reader that at the time the review was published, Vartiainen was 27 years old. Ie., brackets are used if the editor adds information inside the quote...or have I got that wrong? -- Frous (talk) 20:08, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

It could really go either way but it wouldn't really look sufficient in a reader's view. You can keep it with brackets but if you do that then you should erase the dash and put a space between "then" and "27". TRLIJC19 (talk) 20:37, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

 Done Ok. -- Frous (talk) 22:50, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

• In the second paragraph of 'Critical reception" the sentence, "MTV3 gave the song four and a half stars out of five, criticizing the inclusion of "Nettiin" for the sake of consistency and saying none of the songs is particularly catchy", needs to be fixed. It should not be "none of the songs is particularly catchy", it should say "none of the songs are particularly catchy".

 Not done Ummm. My computer says no. None/No-one/No one is a singular pronoun, therefore the verb is in the third person. On the other hand, it can be either way, singular or plural, at least according to Wiktionary. -- Frous (talk) 20:13, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, per Wiktionary it can be like this. But the colloquial use would be "are". Many readers might question the use of "is" and I anticipate they will edit the article and change it. TRLIJC19 (talk) 20:37, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

 Done is -> are -- Frous (talk) 22:51, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

(Though writing are for now, I still strongly disagree, since neither of the words joined by the copular verb be (neither none nor catchy) is singular, and, therefore, the "either way" grammar rule doesn't apply, IMO. I'd suggest some sort of basic grammar should be adapted from pretigious sources to create an actual Wikipedia guideline, to avoid possible edit wars in cases like these where the grammar allows little to no variation. I admit, 'cos I'm not a native speaker of English, my grammar isn't always perfect, either.:) -- Frous (talk) 23:01, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

• This line in the second paragraph of "Critical reception": "though it regarded many of the songs as "hypocritical" or even "tasteless" would be better as "though it regarded many of the songs as "hypocritical" and even "tasteless". That should be changed unless it was a direct quote.

 Not done The text "Valitettavasti useat laulut jäävät ulkokohtaisiksi (Seili, Minä ja hän) tai peräti tyylittömiksi (karmivan setämäinen Nettiin, jonka teksti olisi ollut Gimmelillekin rikollisen korni)." goes literally pretty much as follows: "Unfortunately, many of the songs are hypocritical (Seili, Minä ja hän) or even tasteless (Nettiin, which is horribly indicative of filthy men, and the lyrics of which would have been criminally corny even for Gimmel)" So should it actually be A) even "tasteless" or B) "even tasteless"? -- Frous (talk) 20:23, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

 Done Okay, so it is a direct quote like I mentioned. That being true, it can stay as is. TRLIJC19 (talk) 20:37, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

• This line in the second paragraph of "Critical reception": "Keskisuomalainen deemed the album worth four stars out of five", does not sound right. It should be "Keskisuomalainen gave the album four stars out of five. Alternatively, you can make it "deemed the album's rating as four stars out of five.

 Done I chose the wording deemed the album's rating as four stars out of five. Ummm. according to Wiktionary, deem seems (in some contexts) synonymous with consider (She deemed his efforts insufficient. = She considered his efforts insufficient.). So, does deem just sound awkward in this context? -- Frous (talk) 20:29, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I mentioned this 'error' due to it sounding awkward in a reader's point of view. TRLIJC19 (talk) 20:37, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

I am putting the review on hold so the nominator can assess the problems. Please fix these issues and then I'll continue on with the review. To make it easier for me, I would prefer that after you fix each issue, you put the "done" template ( Done) after it or the "not done" ( Not done) template but explaining why you didn't make the change. Looking forward to finishing the review... TRLIJC19 (talk) 15:19, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Since the nominator fixed the issues, I am happy to announce that I am passing this article for good article status! Great job to the nominator for fixing the errors and getting the article to receive this status. I encourage you to continue improving this page to eventually nominate it for featured article status. Happy editing and congrats! TRLIJC19 (talk) 23:54, 1 October 2011 (UTC)