Talk:Selah (song)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Ashleyyoursmile (talk · contribs) 04:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Feeling a bit confident after my first review yesterday, I shall take on this review now for the numerous articles you have reviewed for me. --Ashleyyoursmile! 04:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Infobox looks great
• Kanye West, from his ninth studio album Jesus Is King (2019) → Kanye West from his ninth studio album, Jesus Is King (2019)
• which features military drums → which instrumentally relies on military drums

•  Done for the above --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• though some critics expressed negative feelings of the song's lyrical content → though some critics expressed negative feelings towards the song's lyrical content

•  Not done since that is too repetitive due to "towards" being used earlier in this sentence. --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Background and development

• Link "freestyling" to "Freestyle rap"

•  Done --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• "Clemons contributed vocals to fellow Jesus Is King tracks "Everything We Need" and "Water" Is this sentence relevant to the song? You could consider mentioning that he created the song and provided backing vocals for it

•  Not done as it is of relevance due to given background on Clemons and West's work together. --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• had been dismissive of ideas by West initially, → had been initially dismissive of ideas by West,

•  Done --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• "Throughout 2019, the Sunday Service Choir's concerts were popular with numerous celebrities, including American actor Brad Pitt." Is this sentence really relevant to the song?

•  Not done since it is giving background on the Sunday Service Choir, which is relevant due to their involvement with the song. --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• "Alongside the Sunday Service Choir and Clemons, the former of the three includes vocals from record producer Bongo ByTheWay." Again, is this relevant?

•  Not done it is relevant because "the former of the three" is "Selah" here and it is worth mentioning all of the vocalists in the body, especially since they are written out in the lead. --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Composition and lyrics

• A 13 second sample of the song → A 13−second sample of the song
• Link "chants" to chants
• Military drums are included in the song, which have been noted for conveying attitude → Instrumentation for the song consists primarily of Military drums, which have been noted for conveying attitude
• The chord progression of it received comparisons to that of the track → The chord progression of it was compared to that of the track

•  Done for all --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Release and promotion

• Great

Critical reception

• "Jordan Bassett from NME commented that the song features "dour organ" and "intermittent percussion."" Would you like to move this sentence to "Composition and lyrics" instead?

• I think I can keep this here since it is expressing opinions of these things, though should I write about percussion in the comp section and use this as a ref? --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• That should look nice. --Ashleyyoursmile! 08:15, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Ashleyyoursmile:  Done, how does this look? --K. Peake 10:30, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Looking nice. --Ashleyyoursmile! 10:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Rolling Stone complemented the composition of it → Rolling Stone complemented the song's composition

•  Done --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Commercial performance

• Following Jesus Is King being released, "Selah" → Following the release of Jesus Is King, "Selah"
• The track was present on the Hot 100 → The track remained on the Hot 100

•  Done for the above --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• "On the US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, the track reached number 10 that same week." Which week are you talking you? Can you mention the week in one of the sentences above?

• I just removed the bit about a week, though kept the chart position. --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• In Slovakia, the track experience lesser → In Slovakia, the track experienced lesser

•  Done --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Appearances in media

• Great

Sunday Service Choir version

• It has regularly been performed live → It has been regularly performed live

•  Done --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Credits and personnel

• Great

Credits and personnel

• Great

Charts

Weekly charts

• Change the caption from "Chart performance for "Selah"" to "Weekly chart performance for "Selah""
• Do the same for "Chart performance for "Revelations 19:1""

• Are you sure these are needed though, since the caption implies it is the main chart performance especially with the third table's existence? --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• You can leave it as it is then. --Ashleyyoursmile! 08:14, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Year-end charts

• Great

Notes

• Great

References

• Copyvio score is 19.4%, which is super!
• MOS:CAPS with ref 4, 6, 7, 8, 25, 28, 32

• I do not see any fully capitalised words, so why is this suggested? --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• I suggested since the caps for these refs aren't in sentence case. Am I wrong to understand what this means? --Ashleyyoursmile! 08:13, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• I believe the context you are thinking of here only applies to actual words in prose, not in ref titles. --K. Peake 10:30, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

External links

• Great

Outcome

•  On hold for 7 days. You have got some writing skills. Great to do review. --Ashleyyoursmile! 06:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Ashleyyoursmile Thanks, I have got back in a lot quicker than a week though have some queries for you. --K. Peake 08:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake, responded to your comments above. :) --Ashleyyoursmile! 08:17, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake, Great work! Gladly passing this. Keep up the good work. ✓ Pass --Ashleyyoursmile! 10:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vincent60030 (talk) 15:27, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that Kanye West sampled the Sunday Service Choir's "Revelations 19:1" rendition on "Selah" before the rendition had been released?
• Improved to Good Article status by Kyle Peake (talk). Self-nominated at 11:03, 5 August 2020 (UTC).

• Nominated within 7 days of receiving GA. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Images are freely licensed. The hook is verified and cited inline. But I'm wondering why you often hide the song title behind words like a track or a record rather than say the name of the song? In this case, the song title is short enough to write:
• ALT1: ... that Kanye West sampled the Sunday Service Choir's "Revelations 19:1" rendition on his song "Selah" before the rendition had been released? Yoninah (talk) 22:15, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
• No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Yoninah (talk) 22:15, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Yoninah I do this because it seems too obvious to write the song's title, is doing as I currently am acceptable or does it need to be changed right now? --K. Peake 05:19, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: it's too vague. Take a look at WP:DYKA and see how specific song (and other title hooks) are. BTW your goal in writing a "hook" is to "reel" the reader in to click on the article and learn more. When you write it this way, you're just writing a statement of fact and telling me everything I need to know, so there's no reason to click and read further. Yoninah (talk) 10:31, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Isn't it fine with the title added now since this does not give full info because the songs were actual released two months apart? --K. Peake 15:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

ALT0a: ... that Kanye West sampled the Sunday Service Choir's "Revelations 19:1" rendition on "Selah" before the rendition had been released?

• First, let's restore the thread. We don't edit the hooks under consideration because then other editors will be unable to follow the discussion. I have placed your new alt at the bottom of the thread and numbered it accordingly. Yoninah (talk) 17:41, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: In answer to your question, yes, the hook is okay. My "by the way" note was just something extra to think about when writing hooks. Now, would you prefer the wording in ALT0a or ALT1? Should we say that "Selah" is a song, or is it obvious? Yoninah (talk) 17:44, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: Yeah I prefer ALT1, I was supposed to fix but forgot and have done now. --K. Peake 17:56, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 18:00, 20 August 2020 (UTC)