Talk:Selwyn River

Latest comment: 1 year ago by Favonian in topic Requested move 5 March 2023

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Turnagra, do you really think a move request is required here? "Selwyn River" is clearly the commonname per Ngrams, as well as news results that show that Selwyn River is used preferentially. While we can have an RM, it seems to be a waste of time for a move that should be as uncontroversial as this one, particularly as the reason this was moved in the first place in now longer valid given the change to WP:NZNC. BilledMammal (talk) 01:39, 3 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yes - I've made my thoughts on ngrams clear elsewhere, but they're not suitable enough to have any impact on this discussion. Turnagra (talk) 18:32, 3 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Would you agree that in almost all cases, the "official" dual name will be the most common dual name? If you do, then I struggle to see your issue with dual names in cases like these, where dual names are so uncommon that the most common doesn't even register on the chart. Can you explain, so I can address your concerns? BilledMammal (talk) 23:05, 3 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
Turnagra; just pinging you to see if you want to respond before I open the move request. BilledMammal (talk) 09:59, 6 November 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'd assumed that this was being usurped by the process you're proposing on the NZNC page. I'm also not really set on the official orthography being the most common one - for instance, up until recently Lake Ellesmere / Te Waihora used parentheses instead (Lake Ellesmere (Te Waihora)) which wasn't necessarily the most common orthography for the name - even we used a slash instead. A quick look shows fairly prominent sources which use no punctuation, a dash, or reversed order. Many of these instances, as I've explained elsewhere, would be contributing to the rates of individual names, and I suspect that "Waikirikiri" being at a significantly higher proportion of references to the river in that ngram now is actually a reflection of the dual name being much more common. Turnagra (talk) 17:46, 6 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 5 March 2023

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Favonian (talk) 10:02, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply


Selwyn River / WaikirikiriSelwyn River – Per WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CONCISE, and MOS:SLASH. Google ngrams shows use of Selwyn River, but not of the current title. A Google News search shows 18 results for Selwyn River in the past year, but only seven for Selwyn River / Waikirikiri. A Google Scholar search shows 105 results for Selwyn River since 2019, but only 19 results for Selwyn River / Waikirikiri. (I haven't fully reviewed the Google Scholar results and a few may be unrelated, but not enough to change the clear preference for Selwyn River)

The proposed title is also shorter, and better complies with MOS:SLASH which recommends against using slashes because it suggests that the words are related without specifying how. BilledMammal (talk) 08:29, 5 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Support per nom, but leave slashed version in the lead. BhamBoi (talk) 20:22, 5 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
It would be; my preferred format is currently used at Uluru: Uluru, also known as Ayers Rock and officially gazetted as Uluru / Ayers Rock BilledMammal (talk) 04:00, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
Something similar happens at Donostia BhamBoi (talk) 04:30, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
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