Talk:Sepak takraw

Future Progress

Okay, everyone. I think this article has a lot of promise, but to move forward we are going to need better sources. I can provide other sources, but they are all written in Thai. I am not sure if it is valid if I translate those and put them into English on a wiki article. Can anyone answer this question for me? It would also be great if there were other wikipedians who were fluent in Malay, Vietnamese, Tagalog, or any other language where its native country has a thriving takraw community. These people can help find other sources that are written in their language that can contribute to our article. The Thai Wikipedia also has an article on takraw, but hardly anything is written on it; our English version is better. Hopefully, that is something I can help develop on that website, too.FLYTHAI 07:50, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Citations

Hello everyone. Going through to add citations throughout the article. It seems like many of the references have only been put in the "External Links" section. FLYTHAI 02:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Added "Rules and Regul."

I added a "rules and regulation" section for international competition. As this section grows, we may consider putting it in a separate article by itself and have a link to it while we sumamrize the main objectives of takraw in this article.FLYTHAI 02:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Hoop Takraw Separate???

I want to suggest that Hoop Takraw be put in a separate article by itself. Yes, there are some similarities with the moves and the ball, but really a totally different game. The objectives and goals are totally different. We can add Hoop takraw in a links section of Sepak Takraw. FLYTHAI 11:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

The Thai term for Takraw

Hello everyone!!! I am very excited to see a wiki article on one of my favorite sports. I made a small edit with regards to the term "Takraw" in Thai. The article had stated the term "Takraw" (ตะกร้อ) means either "ball" or "basket". This information may have been taken from this article http://www.tatnews.org/emagazine/2813.asp written by Shawn Kelley. I would agree with the majority of the article, but there are some minor discrepancies. In modern and current Thai society, the term "Takraw" is just simply the name of the sport. It by no means gives the meaning or connotation of the general term "ball" or "basket". To emphasize specificity, "luktakraw" (ลูกตะกร้อ) is used to name the ball used in Thai takraw - "luk" when added with a name of a sport is modifed to "ball". Also depending on context of Thai speech, "luk" may be dropped and the word "takraw" alone can be understood to mean a specific actual takraw rattan ball, rather any ball (basketball, golfball, etc) in general. As for the claim of takraw meaning "basket," the Thai term for "basket" is "takraa" (ตะกร้า), which can never be mistaken by the Thai ear for the different sounding "Takraw" (ตะกร้อ) - very different Thai vowels sounds. Now given the similar way baskets and luktakraws are tradionally hand woven in Thai culture, it may not be a too far-fetched idea that one may have influenced the other or may have even derived originally from the other. But in current Thai society, they have no meanings towards one another.

http://www.thai-language.com/id/139971

http://www.thai-language.com/id/132165

Cheers!!! FLYTHAI 10:51, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Scoring

I watched a lot of Sepaktakraw at the Asian Games and just updated the scoring section with how it was handled at the Games. I don't know if that is standard scoring in other tournaments though. 89.211.33.250 11:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC) Gameswatcher

"Scoring

There's a discrepancy here. Some report the following:"

What are the other ways of keeping score? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.192.165.208 (talk • contribs) .

In my opinion, the first thing that it would be good to have would be a citation for who says that in the first place. With that, we can probably lose the unsourced comments about discrepancy. Cheers --Pak21 08:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

See "Scoring System" on the English Sepak Takraw Association's site. Cheers --Pak21 10:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

It is the new scoring system for sepak takraw which same with ping pong scoring system. - Idan, Malaysia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.111.22.58 (talk) 16:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

Syntax changes

At external links, changed

Sepak Takraw Informations

to

Sepak Takraw Information

Information is a collective noun. Pluralisation of collective nouns is rarely used unless to denote multiple types.

Merge?

Should this page be merged with that of Takraw? I don't see any difference between the two, and the Sepak Takraw page is better developed. Added on the takraw talk page on 4 Apr 2006 by User:70.177.176.222.

I agree, and I added from/to designations to show which way the merge should go. Bruxism 06:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Support as well. The article says it, Takraw is short for Sepak Takraw. --ChaChaFut 07:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

^^^What they said. --Howard the Duck 09:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

well it might be different in different places, but in Thailand it appears that takraw is the overarching category, that both hoop takraw and sepak takraw fall into, so maybe the focus of the takraw page is wrong, it may very well then be redundant for the time being, however if sepak takraw and hoop takraw were ever seperated into two different pages then it would need to be rethought... I'd suggest getting rid of the old page Nearlyasian (talk) 07:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I stumbled on Buka ball looking for this page. It seams to describe Takraw to a much lesser extent. I could be completely off base on this, take it easy! Zenhooloovoo (talk) 23:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Agree, Buka ball should be merged with this page. Others? --223.205.223.66 (talk) 03:33, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

history of rattan ball

Does anyone have any info about the history of the rattan takraw ball itself? They are a really outstanding piece of geometric design (I've spent many hours studying them and mapping different other patterns on to them in texta) and I'm curious as to whether they predate western influences.

I'd be happy to add a paragraph to this article about the geometry of the ball, as I've analysed it, but I'd feel better knowing the historical side first.

Ben D R 04:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it predates western influence. In Sejarah Melayu (Malay Annals) written in the 15th century the name of the game is written as "sepak raga", "sepak" = kick, "raga" usually means weaved (rattan) basket but it could mean weaved rattan ball in this context. The manuscript was written during the era of Malacca Sultanate, before the arrival of Portuguese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.82.80.63 (talk) 04:06, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

The Earliest History about Sepak Takraw is in Malay not in Thailand

Hello everybody. How come the earliest history record in manuscript that has been written around 15th century in Malay Annals(Sejarah Melayu)about the sepak raga(the earliest name before changed to sepak takraw)did not written on this Sepak Takraw History article? Actually the Malay Annals(Sejarah Melayu) has been written on Malacca's Sultanate. The original name for Sejarah Melayu is Hikayat Melayu. If someone wants to know about it, please check it out from the Malay historian.

The Malay manuscript record for Sepak Raga(Sepak Takraw) even more earlier than the mural on the wall in Thailand. This is because the game of Sepak Raga(the name before changed to Sepak Takraw)was created on the era of Malacca's Sultanate. Actually Malacca's Sultanate included Southern Thailand, West Malaysia and almost all Sumatera land.

Probably the game entered the Siamese by Southern Thai Malays.

Master of Books 11:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern. I've edited the history section, will include the reference soon. It was totally biased and historically inaccurate. The one who wrote that intentionally denied any historical relation of the game with Malay history by this statement "Later in 1935, the game was first played differently in the state of Negeri Sembilan, Malaysia during the Silver Jubilee celebration of SMK King George V.[3]". As the game have just played by the Malays in 1935!!!, totally ridiculous. Orhanghazi (talk) 15:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

External links

I'm not sure if it is appropriate, but The Onion News Network has a marvelous ESPN style story on Sepak Takraw—Ngyuen Thi Buch Thuy: 'Just Give Me The Damn Sepak Takraw Ball'—that is hilarious just because it is done completely straight. (Obviously somebody on their staff is a great fan.)

The relevance of this is, that this might well be the first time many Americans even hear about Sepak Takraw. The topic was obviously picked just because it is so utterly foreign to their normal audience while still being a all-in-all fairly conventional sport based on elements that just about everybody is familiar with. I personally had never heard about Sepak Takraw before watching the video, but I found the images of the sport fascinating enough to go and look it up and do some research. I expect others to do the same, so including the link to the video in the External links section might be useful. --j (talk) 09:28, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree with this. I did the same and found this sport to be crazy. Simply a crazy sport.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.124.84.194 (talk) 20:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

After watching The Onion's "report," I too became curious, and you're right, it was the first time I heard of it (looks like fun). I've made and uploaded a public domain diagram of the court. I hope it's useful and accurate (I'll fix it if it's not). I would have liked to also upload a Thai language version, but I don't speak it and I couldn't find the text to copy and paste.

As for adding the link, it might be misleading since I doubt that the people mentioned in the story exist. – jaksmata 19:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Why beach sepak takraw should be merged to sepak takraw

Since beach soccer, beach handball, beach volleyball have their individual article, I think it should have their article.

Can anyone give me responsible reason please?--Pierce (talk) 06:59, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, first, Other Stuff Exists is not a valid justification. Having just had a look, Beach sepak takraw seems to have only three short sentences, which doesn't seem like anywhere near enough material to justify branching off from the main Sepak takraw article. And it is essentially the same sport, with apparently only one rule change. Considering the others you mention... Handball exists in a lot of different forms, see Handball (though Beach Handball seems to be missing from that disambig page - I'll add it). Beach handball, though derived from Team handball, has its own world championships, and so is notable in its own right. Beach soccer is plenty large enough to justify its own article, and the the rules are significantly different from Association Football. Beach volleyball is an Olympic sport in its own right, and has a fully-featured article. Should Beach Sepak takraw become notable in its own right as opposed to "Sepak Takraw, just on the beach, and with one rule change", or should there be enough notable material to expand the article (with proper references), I think it could then have its own article, but until then it should be merged. -- Boing! said Zebedee 07:45, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Tournaments

The article needs to explain what is a "regu" and "doubles regu" tournament as can be seen in Sepak takraw at the 2010 Asian Games for example. I there is also a ST game played by two players in each team, what is that called? ќמшמφטтгמ^torque 09:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Its done. ќמшמφטтгמ^torque 09:35, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Hoop sepak takraw

Is missing mention. http://www.takraw.or.th/th/regu/Hoop_eng.htm --Paul_012 (talk) 08:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

British Influence

More evidence say Sepak Takraw is originated from the Malay Peninsula, the style of this sport change when the British colonial era in the strait states in Malay Peninsula, can be seen the rules and style of this game similar to badminton, a very popular sport among the English colonists in India, while Thailand and Indonesia are not under the British colonial

Cuju

I find it shameful that there isn't a single mention of Chinese cuju, Japanese kemari, and various other related sports. Sports historians agree that takraw was clearly derived from Chinese cuju, and spread to the various Southeast Asian countries where it exists today. This article, however, simply implies that the sport was created in Malaysia and then spread from there. One of the biggest mistakes that historians and students of history ever make is to assume that the earliest known evidence of something indicates a dispersive origin. I find it extremely hard to believe that takraw in Malaysia predates the sport in neighbouring countries by any significant length of time. Morinae (talk) 10:14, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

done, after 9 yearsNorthheavensky (talk) 09:11, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

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Variants

In the article Sepak takraw at the Asian Games there are multiple variations played: circle, doubles, regu, quadrant, team doubles, team regu. It's be good to explain those in the article Setenzatsu.2 (talk) 08:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2021

Chinlone isnt sepak takraw. Please remove it since theres no evidence to support that claim. (Personal attack removed) Sepak takraw are clearly came from Malaysia. We have the oldest evidence. Please being fair to our country as well. 175.138.77.238 (talk) 05:25, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Hello. Please take a moment to relax. That sort of accusatory tone is not acceptable on Wikipedia, and your input on the matter will be soundly ignored if you cannot be civil. Instead, please explain your reasoning and provide sources counter to the source given in the article. Thank you. Living Concrete (talk) 07:26, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

August 2021

@Ekuftle: It is amazing to have an American here, interested in Southeasian culture. Nevertheless, kindly discuss here after you read and understand the Template:Infobox sport. All the parameters have already been standardized, so we can’t alter the meaning of the infobox MrCattttt (talk) 23:40, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@Nuraini1011958: Kindly discuss here after you read and understand the Template:Infobox sport. All the parameters have already been standardized, so you can’t alter the meaning of the infobox MrCattttt (talk) 10:26, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Change mixed sex game/event to yes

there is now a mixed sex event called “mixed quad” idk for how long it was there but i played for my country this world cup and i played in the said event 2402:4000:11CA:43D3:1187:F38C:84B8:56DE (talk) 08:47, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

FIFA Do not recognise the Chinese version as the origin of football

As Above - citation #12 is not a FIFA site that recognises the PRC as the origin for Football/Soccer. 171.6.237.100 (talk) 13:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)