Talk:Seraphina Sforza

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet talk 09:52, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Blessed Seraphina Sforza was implicated in a murder plot at the age of twelve? Source: "Sveva in 1446 had been implicated in the plot to assassinate Federico" [1]
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Improved to Good Article status by Moriwen (talk). Self-nominated at 23:07, 13 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Seraphina Sforza; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• GA-level article, recently passed, no plagiarism, hook verified and interesting; no QPQ is apparently required, as this is a first nom by user. Dahn (talk) 16:21, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Count or Duke

The article says "Sveva's older brother, Oddantonio da Montefeltro, succeeded his father as Count", but this statement may be inaccurate. Other articles Oddantonio da Montefeltro and Duchy of Urbino indicate that Oddantonio da Montefeltro did succeed his father, but was elevated to Duke. It follows that "The next Count was Sveva's half-brother, Federico da Montefeltro," may also be inaccurate, because Duke is a hereditary title. – Editør (talk) 08:42, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

"Blessed"

@Jeffreypopek: Please discuss here if you think this page should not feature the honorific "Blessed", rather than unilaterally removing it. — Moriwen (talk) 00:10, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Made a mistake in original edit by also editing title of book. My current edit is correct. It is NOT standard practice to include religious honorifics in Wikipedia page titles. EG: Peter Canisius (redirect from Blessed Peter Canisius). JeffreyPopek (talk) 00:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Right -- but it's not in the page title, it's just in the infobox. As you can see, Peter Canisius has "Saint" in the infobox in the same way. — Moriwen (talk) 00:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I would think that shouldn't be there either since it is a title assigned by a religious organization.

According to Wikipedia itself it is supposed to be a Reference Work per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars

Reference works must be based on sources of non-fiction otherwise there is no truth. JeffreyPopek (talk) 00:34, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

In this case, the verifiable fact is simply that the catholic church has given her the title of Blessed. As a reference work, Wikipedia documents the practices and beliefs of many religions. This particular fact is verified in many different works of non-fiction. — Moriwen (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Documenting practices and beliefs is a lot different than venerating religious figures. The fact that many non-fiction sources agree that the catholic church gave her the "blessed" title does not make the title a fact in-and-of itself. JeffreyPopek (talk) 00:50, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Given that including these titles is standard across many Wikipedia pages (notice the existence of an infobox field for it!), and that it's cited, I'd like to suggest that you restore it, and seek consensus on the talk page for your desired removal. — Moriwen (talk) 00:52, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

The infobox field is for official honorifics not venerations. I would be happy to seek consensus on a policy page. Do you know where the page is for policies on religious content? JeffreyPopek (talk) 01:03, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Saints might be of interest? — Moriwen (talk) 01:08, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing me in that direction. I seem to be unable to find any way to discuss global policies except to install an IRC client. JeffreyPopek (talk) 01:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

In the Template:Infobox Saint, the honorific_prefix parameter is typically used for religious titles such as "Blessed" (examples: Duns Scotus, Chiara Badano) or "Saint" (examples: Paul the Apostle, Mother Teresa). I believe it was appropriately used in this article, since the beatifiction of Seraphina Sforza is described and sourced in the article. – Editør (talk) 16:59, 23 October 2023 (UTC)