Talk:Sergei Skripal

COBR or COBRA

I changed the COBR to COBRA because the name of the committee that meets is COBRA. There is an explanation of what COBRA is here: What is COBRA? Baldwin Clere (talk) 10:31, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Detective Sargent Nick Bailey

Detective Sargent Nick Bailey was apparently exposed to nerve agent at Sergei Skripal's home. He did not meet the victims of the attack.[1]. --Diamonddavej (talk) 19:09, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Other similar cases

Something should be said about this. He was one of many. Indeed. My very best wishes (talk) 22:04, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

A better source... My very best wishes (talk) 01:06, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough. But I′d say we had better wait. Early days. Not quite clear how it will play out; but there will sure be an "Aftermath" section some time before long. Quite obvious for now that the UK gov has put a big gag on all the relevant info, the reason most likely being that he is already dead and the gov are hashing out a co-ordinated (with the U.S.) response that has to be announced pretty much concurrently with a death announcement and preliminary investigation conclusions.Axxxion (talk) 01:39, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Sure. New data: they were probably poisoned in a restaurant just before. My very best wishes (talk) 04:18, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Can we please avoid such speculation. BLP rules still apply here. No Swan So Fine (talk) 22:41, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

My very best wishesAt least as per WP:RECENTISM, we should not chronicle each statement made by police: those may well be but a smokescreen to obfuscate what they are really up to.Axxxion (talk) 22:49, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

That was in the cited source (and in many others). According to many pundits, this is a notable case. According to Yuriy Felshtinsky: "Just imagine what would happen if MI-6 poisoned Anna Chapman [who was exchanged for Sripal] in Moscow"? [2]. My very best wishes (talk) 02:06, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

cite_note_12

The Guardian article referenced, now (afternoon 2018-03-11 UTC) now withdraws the statement that the agent who recruited Skripal later went on to work for Orbis. 92.40.147.129 (talk) 15:17, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Good point! I have deleted it. Wonder what made them do the retraction.Axxxion (talk) 22:59, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

When to split?

At what point should we split this article, so that we have a biography and a separate 'Attempted Murder of Sergei Skripal' article? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:34, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

The question should be “should we” not “when should we”, for a start. Why would the article require splitting? Fish+Karate 22:13, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Because the attempted murder is now a major international incident that is independently notable. We are reaching the point where it is dwarfing the rest of the article. That's usually a good sign that it is time to create a dedicated article to cover the incident and leave a brief summary in the bio article with a link to the other. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:26, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

There is no question that the article should be split. The subject was notable long before his murder (from a presumed assassination). He was already notable as a high-ranking intelligence officer caught as a double agent, who was then subsequently freed in a high-profile prisoner exchange. Looking at article size alone, it should be split by 100 kb WP:SIZESPLIT. I would argue it should be split already. MartinezMD (talk) 22:31, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

I concur though I would note that he is not dead. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

You are correct. I misspoke. I think it would be correct and easy to call it the "Poisoning of Sergei Skripal" and then even the article title wouldn't have to change whether he survives or not.MartinezMD (talk) 22:43, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. We can probably copy and paste most of the text from here into the new article and leave a short summary with a link to the dedicated article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:52, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

I was bold and split it. I would appreciate any help creating a small summary paragraph linking this to the poisoning. I did just as you also thought and cut/paste into the new article. Just waiting on the new article approval.MartinezMD (talk) 22:58, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

@MartinezMD: I reverted the removal of content since the target article apparently isn't ready yet. Isa (talk) 23:00, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

@MartinezMD: You were bold indeed! For you simply deleted it in fact! Anyway, no haste at this stage: he is not even dead yet, officially.Axxxion (talk) 23:03, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

My apologies. I didn't think the approval process had become such a protractedly long process. I cut and pasted into the new article but it may sit in new-article approval limbo for up to an apparent 2 months!.MartinezMD (talk) 23:08, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Furthermore, who knows how much the info will have changed by then. With the use of rare nerve agents, spies, politics, etc, dead or not we should have it as a separate article.MartinezMD (talk) 23:12, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Ok. No need to panic. Where is the new article? Link please. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:25, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Never mind. I found it and posted it. It likely needs some tweaking. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:32, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

@MartinezMD: For future reference, you could have just created the new article since you are autoconfirmed, no need to go through the draft process, particularly for splitting content. Isa (talk) 02:45, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

I thought I was doing something weird. I used the article wizard, and it put me into the draft process. thank you for the info. MartinezMD (talk) 02:47, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

No worries. You can go to any nonexistent page, click "Create" and Bob's your uncle. Isa (talk) 02:52, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Why not Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal? Do only men who get poisoned matter? Fish+Karate 09:10, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

No objection from me. I just started with him because she is not independently notable. However, she is definitely part of the notable poisoning. Don't wait on us to move it. I just moved itMartinezMD (talk) 12:22, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

I agree that it should be split because the poisoning is already taking on a life of its own and that is the part that will grow, too. What is extremely interesting is that Skripal has apparently taken down 300 people with him. That would be quite a pool of potential enemies. Where indisputable facts are scarce there will be speculation (conspiracy theories). As long as a speculation is declared as such and fits with known facts, I have no trouble including a speculation or two. Maybe that will encourage the authorities to be more generous with facts. It could also enhance our understanding. 2001:8003:A928:800:585D:E5E2:4044:B2D5 (talk) 02:55, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Unless you somehow overlooked it, it's already been split over a week ago. Also, as an encyclopedia, no speculation. MartinezMD (talk) 04:58, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

1951 / born in / place of birth = Kaliningrad Калинингра́д, before 1946 Königsberg

né le 23 juin 1951 dans l'Oblast de Kaliningrad https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergue%C3%AF_Skripal --2003:E8:5BC8:5F24:A57A:658:CD75:4E47 (talk) 23:07, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

According to an edit to the Dutch Wikipedia made 26 March 07:17, his birthplace is Kiev rather than Kalinigrad. This page is linked, but I don't understand Russian, can anybody check the validity of this? Albert Pool (talk) 19:52, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

It seems a little odd that the same source you give, L!FE ГЛАВНОЕ (Google translates as "#THE MAIN THING"), is currently being used for his date of birth. The sources for his place of birth being Kaliningrad are BBC and MKRU (Moskovsky Komsomolets). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Life.ru talks about Kiev, the niece Victoria talks about Kaliningrad/Königsberg. This is the case when it is difficult to say which source is worse (but there is no good one among them).--Nicoljaus (talk): —Preceding undated comment added 20:47, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Where is Skripal now?

seems like he's just dropped off the planet, or is dead. Anybody know? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.125.176.58 (talk) 00:52, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

No updates about him personally have been reported in the past 2-3 weeks. MartinezMD (talk) 01:41, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Some sources report,"died in British custody at an unknown date after his last telephone call to Russia on June 19, 2019." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henrilebec (talk • contribs) 17:50, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

The Telegraph and Steele

I believe this accurately reflects the Telegraph's second article, in contrast to the existing edit, which states the fabrication as a fact rather than a claim - link to the disputed edit:

The Telegraph, relying on anonymous sources, later reported a claim that the trail of evidence linking Skripal to Steele was fabricated by Russian Intelligence.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shtove (talk • contribs)

Double agent? English spy? Or, an overbought mercenary - Mamluk? The recent history of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation gives us more and more examples of such. Station wagons are cosmopolitans. They took as their part a portion of the fate of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation.Gartenliebhaber (talk) 08:57, 17 August 2019 (UTC)