Talk:Seudah

Sources

Sources? JFW | T@lk 20:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

lots of Jewish sites : ) ok, I'll cite some. --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 22:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

No online sources are needed, as far as I'm concerned. The ideal source is the actual source in the Gemara/poskim stating the practice, and if necessary a secondary source confirming that this view is being adhered to in practice. JFW | T@lk 02:57, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Ahhhh, you mean *real* sources. You're right. That would make more sense. I'll try to get those. Thanks! --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 06:20, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Issues

• "A Seudah, in Judaism is an obligatory festive meal." This term technically refers to any meal. Perhaps that should be mentioned.
• "Kiddush Bimakom Seudah is the meal..." Kiddush Bimakom Seudah is actually the name of the law that one must immediately eat the seudah in the same place that he heard/recited kiddush (Talmud Bavli, Pesachim, 101a). It is not the name of the meal.
• "There are three on Shabbat..." Kiddush is made twice on Shabbat, so the third meal certainly bears no relation to Kiddush.
• "Seudat Shelishit is the "third meal" eaten on Shabbat afternoon after Mincha (afternoon prayers). It is the smallest of the three meals, often just bread, salads, and gefilte fish." Ahh... I love how you stuck in that quasi-random assorment of foods, but it might appear as an official or traditional menu (though it is somewhat common, I suppose). Perhaps this should replaced with something like: "...often consisting of a such a menu as..." By the way, this meal doesn't have to be eaten after one has prayed Mincha, only after the start of the period when one would be allowed to pray Mincha.
• "It is traditional to... and learn Torah at this meal." It is traditional to learn Torah at every meal (Avot 3:4; Rashi, ibid.; Talmud Bavli, Sanhedrin, 101a [again a 101a!]). This meal is, of course, no exception.
• "Purim Seuda is the meal after Mincha on Purim." I don't think that it is universally accepted to eat at that time of day, but I suppose this could be left as is. Better yet would probably be to change this to "...is the meal on Purim day."

Aside from that - nice article! HKT 21:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your helpful feedback! I'll implement your corrections and suggestions. --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 22:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

HKT, does Kiddush Bimakom Seudah only apply on Jewish holidays, or anytime kiddush is recited? --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 22:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Anytime kiddush is recited (though the only other times would be Shabbat). HKT 22:58, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

another source

The source for a Bar Mitzvah seuda is the Maharshal (Yam Shel Shlomo, Bava Kamma, 7:37). HKT 11:49, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll put it in. --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 22:17, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Merge into Seudat mitzvah article

This article should be combined with or re-directed to Seudat mitzvah because all that the word "seudah" really means in Hebrew is "meal" and what would stop anyone from including "seudat boker" (breakfast) and "seudat laiyla" (supper/dinner) into the article? The editors are assuming that everyone would be approaching this topic from a religious perspective, which is not true. On the other hand, Seudat mitzvah includes any kind of religious meal, it's broader than the article on "Seudahh" alone implies, not as the article describes and limits it. A Seudat Havra'ah etc is also a seudat mitzvah. IZAK 19:07, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

might as well keep the discussion in one place...comment at Talk:Seudat_mitzvah --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 22:10, 17 March 2006 (UTC)