Talk:Seven Wonders of the Ancient World

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Site of the Hanging Gardens

In the table, the Hanging Gardens of Babylon are said to be either in Hillah or Nineveh. Really the gardens are in either Babylon or Nineveh (not Hillah, which is a modern-day town near Babylon). That is not accurate and needs to be changed.

Wonder table vandalism?

Anyone noticed the first one the wonder table being a 24 yr old 'Brian' from Canada? I've tried to edit this out, but it doesn't appear on the edit page? (Above the Giza wonder) --84.65.130.16 12:55, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

It was reverted [1] seven minutes after its insertion. --Kralizec! (talk) 23:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Self contradiction in the article

The article currently says "Records show that the other five wonders were destroyed by natural disasters." Yet lists the Temple of Artemis' cause of destruction as arson. It looked like a simple edit in March of '06:

two by fire, three by earthquake  -->  five by natural disaster

But as one of the fires wasn't natural, it's no longer accurate. TheAmigo42 03:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Interwiki links

All interwiki links seem to be going to translations of Seven Wonders of the World so I have removed all the interwiki links from this article. Graham87 03:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Somebody had written that the Ancient Wonders were all in antarctica so I removed it. [Jimmymcchamp] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmymcchamp (talk • contribs) 15:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to the wonderful world of undoing wiki-vandals! - DavidWBrooks (talk) 17:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! I went ahead and reverted the rest of the vandal's deletion via the undo button. --Kralizec! (talk) 17:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

In which modern country are these

Can you add a column that gives the info of in which modern country are these wonders? thanks Yakamoz51 (talk) 01:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps this wasn't added to avoid confusion on at least two levels: since six of the seven wonders no longer exist (to varying degrees); and including the modern country names might incorrectly imply that these countries existed back then.   Also, widening the chart may be problematic -- maybe the font size could be reduced. PrBeacon (talk) 12:00, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

differences

what are the diffrences between the wonders of the aincient world and the modern world? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.193.171 (talk) 17:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Most of the old wonders have been destroyed. There is no conclusive list of "new" wonders of the world despite some pitiful TV programs. Flamarande (talk) 18:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

16th century drawings

This stuff is really interesting, and the Colossus of Rhodes would have been quite fantastic if it stood with its legs open as most drawings do. However, if you look at how this artist drew the pyramids (they look more like that tall and thin tower in what, Washington DC ?), they look far from what they actually looked like, so with that in consideration, the Colossus representation must be terribly wrong, and it's kinda been proven. What I want to say is, that while the main picture is very very nice and old-fashioned, it is terribly misleading and far from representing the actual wonders. Dollvalley (talk) 09:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

John Chrysostom?

The table repeats the claim, often made, that the Temple of Artemis was destroyed by a mob led by John Chrysostum in 391 AD. This is a persistent myth that seems to be based entirely on a single very unclear comment by Proclus of Constantinople in the Fifth Century. In his twentieth Oration, Proclus praises Chrysostom for various things including by sayining "In Ephesus, he despoiled the art of Midas". Exactly how this can be interpreted as "he led a mob to destroy the re-built Temple of Artemis" is a mystery. In fact, I know of no evidence at all that the Temple was rebuilt after the Gothic sack in the Third Century. I've removed the Chrysostom claim, because I keep coming across people asserting this is true and pointing to this Wiki entry when challenged on it. Wikipedia should not be supporting unsubstantiated pseudo history.TimONeill (talk) 00:36, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Taj Mahal

I have read elsewhere that the Great Pyramid is the only one of the original seven that still exists today, and part of the article says this. On the other hand, the text and the table also include the Taj Mahal, which still exists, and thus there are two. I think this is wrong; the Taj Mahal is great but I don't think it was on the list created by the Greeks. Anyone? 208.185.201.194 (talk) 16:12, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

You're right - it was a vandalism addition. It has been reverted. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 16:34, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

In the list section this article claims the Masoleum was destroyed by a flood. In the paragraph below, it claims it was destroyed by eartquake. Which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwtmtmtl (talk • contribs) 16:17, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 March 2013

JohnChoi246 (talk) 02:02, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Not done: Blank request. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 02:13, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

GA objective

Colleagues, I am currently working (in one of my sandboxes) an improvement for the article. If you have any suggestions, please feel free to drop by and send a message.--MarshalN20 | ^Talk 03:18, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Final wonder?

There's a discrepancy between the table and the prose. The prose says that the Colossus was the last wonder to be completed (in 280bc), but the table shows it second-to-last. (in 292bc)

Is this an error in the article? Or a uncertainty in the numbers themselves?

APL (talk) 03:38, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 21 May 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Calidum T|C 00:35, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

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Seven Wonders of the Ancient World → Seven wonders of the ancient world – the mos says to avoid capitalization and some reputable sources don't capitalize this, so we shouldn't either, e.g. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/mar/10/jonathanglancey.international ; in addition, this is a concept, not a proper noun, and there are in fact many versions of this list; in addition, WP is full of such unnecessarily capitalized article titles that should all be acceptable as uncontroversial move requests and should all be treated as violations of our mos unless all cited reputable sources uppercase – Espoo (talk) 11:41, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink).  Philg88 ^♦talk 12:47, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose, common name (at least the common name is 'Seven Wonders of the World' and the 'Ancient' on Wikipedia is probably used to differentiate other lists). The misunderstanding of MOS here seems to be that all or even most reputable sources have to capitalize or Wikipedia does not. Capitalization for this page and others is a matter of common sense as well, and even if many sources do not capitalize this is another page which seems like it would be an allowed exception to the guideline. The references on the page seem to agree with the present capitalization. Randy Kryn 12:57, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:UCN – Common usage shows that the capitalised form is standard. RGloucester — ☎ 15:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose this is a proper noun, about a specific list of a specific set of seven. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:33, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per other editors. Khestwol (talk) 07:09, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

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Fate of the Statue of Zeus

This article's lead says that the Statue of Zeus at Olympia was deliberately destroyed, but that's not clear from the article on the statue itself. That article says, "The circumstances of the statue's eventual destruction are unknown." This is not my area of expertise, so there's not much I can do myself. Any thoughts? Zagalejo^^^ 21:34, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

I was working on improving this article, but did not reach the part on the destruction of the statue. Seven Wonders of the Ancient World (edited by Clayton and Price) is a good place to look for more information.--MarshalN20 ^Talk 14:40, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Wonders

As a casual observer, I see that the Alexandria lighthouse was destroyed between AD 1303 and AD 1480. The article says that there was an earthquake on Crete in 1303. If that was the cause of destruction, per the article, why was it not destroyed in 1303 since the dates say 1303-1480? 73 de Nickenzi (talk) 04:54, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Translation of the Philo of Byzantium

The Philo text is the earliest literary reference to the seven wonders of the world. Perhaps someone able to do so would add a link to the online translation of 'The Seven Wonders of the World'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.206.122 (talk) 07:26, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2019

The lighthouse of alexandria was destroyed by many earthquakes and the sultan qaitbay, there is no evidence of this on the page 122.106.208.58 (talk) 06:32, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 09:02, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2019

I would like to update this article with new information that has been updated. Roselove54 (talk) 18:51, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. Please make a precise request. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 19:09, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2019

Want to submit and external link which provides complete and some extra details of the 7 ancient wonders of the world which will be very interesting for users. 180.211.96.226 (talk) 11:07, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Please also review the guidelines for external links to ensure that your request is appropriate for addition to the article. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:05, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Kill further readings

"Further readings" sections are mostly a holdover from wikipedia's earlier days when there were fewer external websites to link to. As [[2]] notes, they are increasingly uncommon.

The section in this article is a good example why. There are scores of books with "7 wonders of the ancient world" in their title or subtitle and there's no obvious reason for these few books or articles to be mentioned. It's not useful to readers and I'd like to kill the whole section.

Any thoughts? - DavidWBrooks (talk) 18:57, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

No response so I'll kill it. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 16:04, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Philo's Century

I don't know if this is simply because someone didn't realize that hundreds of years are off by one compared to the number century, but this article calls Philo of Byzantium a "2nd Century BC" writer when he is indisputably c. 280-220 BC--which is the 3rd Century BC. This minor, completely factual edit needs to be made and I can't do it because of the protected status. 2600:1700:67A8:230:2C78:24D0:F248:CB1B (talk) 20:10, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

His article indicates that some sources place him a century earlier, which would be 2nd century, so I just vague-ified it. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 00:13, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Alexander the Great conquered "Western Asia", not "much of the western world.

At the beginning of the "Background" section it is falsely stated that Alexander the Great conquered "much of the western world". Someone should correct the error. 37.162.138.123 (talk) 16:18, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Halicarnassus

'Halicarnassus' misspelt in the timeline and map. Prisoner of Zenda (talk) 09:50, 17 June 2023 (UTC)