Talk:Sex on premises venue

Merge?

This article could probably be merged with Gay bathhouse. Format (talk) 06:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

As SOPV isn't exclusively for gay venues, there are probably examples of heterosexual swingers clubs that could be referenced. http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/clubs/index.html might be a source.—Ash (talk) 11:50, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

It should be merged to sex club IMHO. -- Banjeboi 04:05, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, though a sex club would normally be a form of club rather than a venue with just a back-room, dark-room or video booths. As used by research organizations or safe-sex promotion campaigns, SOPV is a more general term (normally used in a MSM context) intended to include any premises where sex takes place and may include bars where people are known to have sex in the toilets on an informal basis or venues where sex may take place but the club is not known for that reason (for example some BDSM clubs).

• Sexually Transmitted Infections 2003;79:78; doi:10.1136/sti.79.1.78 "A novel research approach in sex on premises venues (SOPV)", the definition is given as "Sex on premises venues (SOPV) are commercial venues where men who have sex with men (MSM) meet other MSM for casual, usually anonymous, sex."; the distinction is made between a sauna and a SOPV: "They were asked where the sex had taken place (the participant’s home, the partner’s home, a beat (public place such as a park, beach, or public toilet), a sauna, a "sex on premises" venue (SOPV), or some other site."
• Millbank, J (2002), "Imagining Otherness: Refugee Claims on the Basis of Sexuality in Canada and Australia", Melbourne University Law Review, 26.1, Melbourne University Law Review Association: 144–177, ISSN 0025-8938, OCLC 108413863: "...many gay men do have sex on beats and (where available) gay sex-on-premises venues (such as saunas)".
• Lane, T; Shade, SB; McIntyre, J; Morin, SF (2008), "Alcohol and sexual risk behavior among men who have sex with men in South african township communities", Aids and Behavior, Jul; 12(4) Suppl: S78-85, doi:10.1007/s10461-008-9389-x, ISSN 1090-7165, OCLC 264699342{{citation}}: CS1 maint: location (link): "To assess public sexual activity, participants were asked if they have ever had sex in a public place, a sex-on-premises venue, or in a group of three or more persons."

It should be noted that the legal acceptance of SOPVs in the UK has changed relatively recently and sources before, say, 1995, may be misleading. For example the 1993 publication "Sex, gay men, and AIDS"[1] states "Bars and clubs do not, at least in Britain, facilitate sex on the premises"; which is no longer the case.—Ash (talk) 08:14, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Meh, then it needs to be cleaned up to show this is the overall article and sex club and bathhouse are included. The etymology of the term should be explored. I suggest adding summaries of each of those subjects plus a section on Dark rooms. -- Banjeboi 14:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

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