Talk:Shallow (Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper song)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Sources

Thanks for adding these, IndianBio. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:01, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:Lady Gaga songs?

@IndianBio: Do you think we should add this song to Template:Lady Gaga songs? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:24, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm on the fence about this being a single still. They released it as part of the album, and not independently. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 11:54, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Another editor added the song to the template with this edit. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:14, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Copy edit

Since this article is up to B-class, I've requested a copy edit from the Guild of Copy Editors as a step to Good status. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:12, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

No, I'm not done adding content to the article. Can you please stop hurrying up articles like this? Its annoying as fuck! —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 09:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Calm down, I was acting in good faith. I'm not rushing anything, and sometimes it takes time for articles to get picked up for review. You don't own the article, and any editor can nominate any article for review at any time. No need to get upset. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:11, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't own the article but its me who is hardworking on every article, so the politest thing for you would have been to ask me if it was ready for GOCE. I'm not upset just find your ways to be extremely disrespectful of me or others as an editor. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 09:13, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

I was trying to help. There's no need to be so offended. Let's move on. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:04, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the copy edit, Twofingered Typist. IB, sorry if my request was submitted too soon, but please review changes made to the article when you have a moment. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:49, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 28 September 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 10:22, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

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Shallow (A Star Is Born) → Shallow (Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper song) – Should be the correct name per MOS for song naming conventions in Wikipedia. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 20:38, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support. Per WP:SONGDAB, use the name of the performer who first published the song. Bluesatellite (talk) 03:37, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support In ictu oculi (talk) 08:10, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support, current title just made it seem as if the disambiguation is part of the song's name. Also, per WP:SONGDAB. --Gonnym (talk) 10:13, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support. I think this would clarify it much better. There is another song called Shallow by Porcupine Tree and this would better differentiate the two by their respective artists as well separating them from the other disambiguations. Derekhero0178 (talk) 12:52, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support to properly comply with WP:SONGDAB. Snuggums (talk / edits) 13:38, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
• Sure! I do wonder, though, are there rules/preferences re: "Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga" vs. "Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper"? Do we display names alphabetically, or...? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:09, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support with Gaga listed first, as it is on iTunes. Also, should it be considered a promotional single? RKJ 5 (talk) 16:03, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

• Single release vs. promo release is a separate matter that should be discussed in another thread. This one only concerns the song title. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:28, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support per nomination and the six "support" votes above.    Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:30, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support per the above commentary. Aoba47 (talk) 20:47, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support, as this is where it should have been in the first place, hence why I made the redirect. Ss112 18:24, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Would also not be opposed to Shallow (A Star Is Born song) per the precedent set by Disney song articles and The Hanging Tree (The Hunger Games song). Chase (talk | contributions) 21:09, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

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GA?

@IndianBio: This article has been upgraded to B-class status. I'm curious if you have plans to GA-nom soon? The article seems to be in pretty good shape to me. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:01, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Nope, not yet. Article is grossly unstable still. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 12:25, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Twofingered Typist: Thanks for reviewing this article as part of the Guild of Copy Editors. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:10, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

@IndianBio: Will you please review the copy edits, as well as my subsequent edits, to see if you need to make any further changes? Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:14, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

@Another Believer: I have checked it. However the article is becoming unstable due to continuous IP disruption hence I have requested protection. I hope you can support me on getting this article protected otherwise it fails WP:GA? on stability. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 13:36, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Update: An admin has configured PC for the article :) —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 13:41, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Interlanguage links

Guys, in the section "Cover versions" I'm trying to hyperlink "Juntos" without appearing the commands (:pt), but I ain't got it, can someone do it for me, please?

This is the foreign article in Wikipedia to link on it (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juntos), thank you!

 Done Fixed. Rfl0216 (talk) 15:25, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

sources

@IndianBio: Please, see these links:

here and here and [0=ts_chart_artistname%3Agaga&f[1]=itm_field_chart_id%3A-&f[2]=ss_bb_type%3Achart_item&solrsort=ds_peakdate%3Adesc&type=2 here] :) -- Max24 (talk) 20:00, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Midweek flash

How reliable are the UK Midweek flashes? —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 11:21, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Country song? I say no

This article originally listed this song as being "country", and that's it. I strongly disagree - 1) iTunes lists this song as "pop", 2) This song isn't on any US country music chart, but it is on pop charts, 3) Most articles I've read describe it as a power ballad, or just as pop. There are some folk elements as well. The only connection to country music is that the character in the *movie* portrays a country music singer. However, realise that this is a fictional character, and Cooper himself is not a country singer in real life.MisterZed (talk) 20:20, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

@MisterZed: I strongly suggest that you go through Wikipedia's policy of verifiability and reliable sourcing. We have NPR calling it "country croon" explicitly and the other source from Rolling Stone calls it folk-pop. These are two extremely reliable sources and hence we go by them. Not what you or me or anybody else editing this article thinks. iTunes always does generalized listing of genres based on the main artist's genre and is not to be considered. Now coming to power ballad, its not a musical genre, its a style of performance. So it cannot be listed. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 20:33, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Surely NPR's article is just one person's opinion, though? MisterZed (talk) 10:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

I agree with IndianBio. Also, there's nothing wrong with calling a song a ballad and adding the ballads category (assuming secondary coverage supports this claim), but a ballad is not a genre of music. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:35, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Remove Remix Promo CD from tracklisting

The tracklisting of the promo CD with the Remixes should be removed, it is not an official release. The site misspelled Lady Gaga's name, left out Bradley Cooper entirely on the site, mistitled "Is That Alright?" and literally says "a pressing of official and unofficial remixes". It is clearly marked as an unofficial bootleg CD. Not to mention that the site fails to mention any relation to Gaga's record label. --2A02:810B:1040:FB8:AD49:1AB0:134E:29FD (talk) 21:21, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Enigma

Should the article mention Gaga's performance of "Shallow" in Enigma?

• https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/lady-gaga-bowie-cover-shallow-enigma-las-vegas-773641/
• http://www.newnownext.com/lady-gaga-shallow-enigma-opening-las-vegas-residency/12/2018/

---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:07, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

• https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/a-musical-analysis-of-shallow-from-a-star-is-born/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.22.142 (talk) 21:10, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Accolade Table

Have put this back as it is a common feature on ‘singles’ pages, and can see no reason why it was removed. If anyone disagrees, we should discuss reasons here. BenBowser (talk) 13:46, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Clearly you have no idea how articles and lists work in Wikipedia. The whole information is already present in the article and in the actual section and this is not a WP:LIST. And you were reverted multiple times previously, so it is your onus to first discuss here. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 14:10, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Woah, ok calm down. Whoever that IP is, it isn’t me, so you don’t need to be so abrupt. :) I came to the talk section to ask why it had been reverted, since it is a useful table to have, especially for a song such as this which is performing unusually well with accolades. It is helpful for giving information quickly, without having to read the paragraphs. Quick information after all is what most people use Wikipedia for. BenBowser (talk) 14:30, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Really? That IP isn't you? Oh well, you were still removed in the next edit so yeah you are correct in discussing. MOS:LIST only allows usage of Embedded lists for See also and References section. This is Wikipedia rule-governed, not my personal preference. All details of the songs' awards are present in the Lady Gaga awards list, which is linked in the {{See also}} tab at the top of the section. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 14:35, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Whoops, forgot my ‘:’s! Don’t worry, I’m not bothered enough by this to start an edit war, I see you’ve had enough of those on here already, haha. Wiki rules on this are just weird I guess. As you seem to run these pages, maybe you should be a little more fourthcoming, understanding and open with IP Wikipuppies over these issues? Explaining reasons properly etc. would’ve saved me (and I’m sure others) from making the same mistakes, as we’d understand more where you’re coming from. At first glance it seems like you’re just being pedantic. (I understand now of course! I don’t mean this in a bad way. Just suggesting what I think might save you from all those pesky rollbacks!) BenBowser (talk) 14:39, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

No problem at all, glad you understood. Sometimes I feel like my hands are tied because of so many rules and etc. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 14:44, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Adding a line about the techniques used by her fans to generate streams?

In the past week there has been a lot of coverage of different strategies utilized by Lady Gaga's fans to generate more streams for the song.

https://www.thefader.com/2019/03/01/lady-gaga-shallow-starbucks-twitter-scam-shallowbucks-spotify

https://www.iheart.com/content/2019-03-03-lady-gaga-fans-create-starbucks-scam-to-boost-shallow-streams/

https://www.altpress.com/news/lady-gaga-shallowbucks-shallow/

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/starbucks-shallow-lady-gaga-scam-shallowbucks

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/lady-gaga-scamming-starbucks-and-spotify-to-get-shallow-to-no-1.html/

not sure how credible these articles are but it's certainly noteworthy enough to be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukestepford (talk • contribs) 22:42, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Nope. WP:FANCRUFT and WP:UNDUE applies. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 15:23, 4 March 2019 (UTC)