Talk:Shane Lavalette

Images

Seeking fair-use photograph of Shane Lavalette for article. Ariiise (talk) 01:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Press

I'm archiving the 'Selected press' items here. In and of themselves they do not contribute any substance to the article. If/as there is substance from them that can be integrated into the article, then they can be used as references. A step towards making this article less resume-like. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 16:28, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. A mention of an important exhibition/commission has been added to the article, from which this relevant press arose. Ariiise (talk) 17:14, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Archive

• British Journal of Photography, Talent Issue, Global Ambitions, Print, July 2011
• Interview with Shane Lavalette, 2011 Daylight/CDS Photo Awards, Center for Documentary Studies at Duke University, Jan. 6, 2012
• Photographer Captures Sounds of the South, CNN Photos, April 23, 2012
• Picturing the South, A Photobook, The Telegraph, April 25, 2012
• Shane Lavalette, Newsweek Picture Dept., May 25, 2012
• Musical Heritage in the New South, TIME LightBox, June 8, 2012
• Book to Come: Photographs by Shane Lavalette, Self Publish, Be Happy, June 21, 2012
• Wanderlust Presents: Shane Lavalette, Conveyor Arts Blog, June 21, 2012
• How Would You Picture the South?, NPR The Picture Show, June 22, 2012
• The South from Many Angles, The New York Times, June 24, 2012
• Mysterious South, Tufts Magazine, Summer 2012 Issue, June 2012
• Picturing the South, High Museum, Atlanta, Photograph Magazine, June 28, 2012
• Atlanta’s High Museum Sends Three Photographers to Discover Unique Pockets of the American South, ARTINFO, July 2, 2012
• The Only Stair That Doesn’t Creek, The Oxford American, July 30, 2012

Resume-like

The {resumelike} maintenance tag has been added - and removed - several times to this article. It remains resume-like, in my opinion. The article is a good start for what appears to be a genuinely notable photographer, however it is not yet in encyclopedia-like form. Thanks for your assistance in further developing this into an encyclopedia-like article. DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 12:21, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. A more encyclopedic tone and less resume items will help improve this article. Ariiise (talk) 17:20, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Removed honors/awards without citations. Fotohist (talk) 17:40, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, still too resume-like, and have so tagged. The list of exhibitions and publications should go. All of them. This is a photographer of marginal notability, and there is far too much unencyclopedic detail. Coretheapple (talk) 13:44, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

I've fixed by removing the lengthy and unencyclopedic list of exhibitions and publications, as well as the collections in which his photography is featured, all per WP:NOTEVERYTHING, as otherwise we get a resume. It's bad enough that this is obviously an autobiography; let's not rub salt in the wound, OK? Lastly, I've removed the list of awards that this chap has been nominated for and been a finalist for but has not actually won. Coretheapple (talk) 13:53, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Copyright resolution

Shane Lavalette has released the text in his bio and CV for use in this article: http://shanelavalette.com/bio 2604:6000:BDA1:A00:95D5:A063:B604:D1E0 (talk) 17:10, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

How do you know that? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:12, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

He has specified it on the website. (see link) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:BDA1:A00:95D5:A063:B604:D1E0 (talk) 17:15, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Looks to be approved. Fotohist (talk) 17:51, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Contacted the subject and he has happily posted approval. Anything else that can be done to resolve the issue? Ariiise (talk) 20:29, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

We the OTRS Team have received the ticket granting permission for this article under the CC-BY-SA-3.0 and the GFDL licensing (OTRS Team see ticket 2013121510006955. -- Clarkcj12 (talk) 01:15, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

COI tag

I think that we should discuss here if a COI tag belongs on this article. I removed it, as the editor in question denies having a COI, but only of being in contact with the subject. This has been reverted on the basis of that explanation. Look, I agree that there is strong evidence of COI editing. But this is a BLP. The COI tag itself has BLP implications. We have to exercise utmost care. I just don't see how we can justify a COI tag on this article just because an editor claims he was in contact with the subject. Whether we believe him or not is beside the point. Coretheapple (talk) 21:16, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I only contacted as a way to resolve the copyright vio notice. Sorry for the troubles here. Ariiise (talk) 21:23, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

The editors who have raised COI issues have done so rationally, in good faith, and in my opinion correctly. But I don't see what we can do about it. I'd like to take a look at the article at some point. It is hidden by a notice and old versions are not visible. Coretheapple (talk) 21:26, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

• The article and recent past versions were hidden by a copyvio notice, so I couldn't actually see it until today.On reviewing the edits and circumstances, and especially the ridiculously exhaustive and unencyclopedic character of the material that has been added to this article, I no longer have a problem with that tag. Coretheapple (talk) 13:55, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

BLP sources tag

A space to discuss the BLP sources tag, and wether or not it is now resolved. Every line of the article has a citation, so it may be. Thoughts? Ariiise (talk) 16:11, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

The main deficiency of this article is a paucity of independent sourcing, apart from his own personal website. It also calls into question the notability of this person. Coretheapple (talk) 16:30, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

I've tagged for notability. This article is at best at the cusp. Also I see no substantiation for the information about his job at the nonprofit. The website has nothing on that, and that appears to be original research, possibly supplied by the subject. Coretheapple (talk) 17:12, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

The subject is notable based on these criteria, of which he meets multiple. Is there a better criteria to reference? There were items removed from the article that were cited, such as significant publications, exhibitions, collections, etc., to make the page less resume-like—should a few of those be added back in with citations? Most articles about contemporary artists include sections for selected exhibitions, publications, and collections. Thanks for your input. Ariiise (talk) 17:54, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

I assume the article hasn't been nominated because of the Karsh award and the coverage cited. However, the sourcing is thin otherwise. I notice your added cite, which helps. Coretheapple (talk) 18:16, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

To address your other point, the problem was not just that the article read like a resume but that in large measure it was sourced to a resume. There is a lack of coverage about the photographer in secondary sources to justify an exhaustive list of exhibitions and collections. It turned the article into a vanity piece. Coretheapple (talk) 18:41, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Here is a smaller selection of exhibitions, publications, and collections that may be worth adding back in, as they are significant and they are not sourced to a resume. What do you think? Also, what other material needs to be sourced in the current article for the "needs additional citations" tag to be resolved? It appears everything in the article is properly cited. Thanks. Ariiise (talk) 20:20, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Exhibitions

• reGeneration2: Tomorrow's Photographers Today, Musée de l'Élysée, Lausanne, Switzerland, June 19 – September 26, 2010
• reGeneration2, Aperture Gallery, Aperture Foundation, New York, NY, Jan. 20 – March 17, 2011
• Picturing the South, High Museum of Art, Atlanta, GA, June 14 – Oct. 7, 2012

Publications

• The Collector’s Guide to Emerging Art Photography, Humble Arts Foundation, January 2009. ISBN 9780979642500
• reGeneration2: Tomorrow’s Photographers Today, Aperture, August 2010. ISBN 9781597111607
• reGeneration2: Tomorrow’s Photographers Today, Thames & Hudson, June 2010. ISBN 9780500288894
• The Photographs Not Taken, Daylight, 2012. ISBN 9780983231615
• Foam Magazine, Issue #32 / Talent, Foam Fotografiemuseum Amsterdam, September 2012. ISBN 9789070516314

Collections

• High Museum of Art, Atlanta, GA
• Light Work, Syracuse, NY
• Musée de l'Élysée, Lausanne, Switzerland

To be frank, the article smacks of autobiography, and I'm not keen on expanding it at this time, without more coverage from secondary sources establishing the subjects notability. Coretheapple (talk) 20:46, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

References