Talk:Sharon Priest

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:24, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

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• ... that the Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1994 to 2003, Sharon Priest, was born in Montreal? Source: source
  • ALT1:... that Sharon Priest was a former mayor of Little Rock, Arkansas, before she became the Secretary of State of Arkansas in 1994? Source: source 1 source 2
  • ALT2:... that in 1994, Sharon Priest became the first woman to be elected Secretary of State of Arkansas after Nancy Hall was appointed the position in 1961? Source: source

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Let Nature Sing
• Comment: For ALT2, Hall was appointed in 1961 after her husband died in office. Priest wasn't appointed as she was elected in 1994.

Moved to mainspace by MrLinkinPark333 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:04, 2 November 2019 (UTC).

• Full review to follow, but per recent discussions over at WT:DYK, it might be for the best to drop ALT2 as there have been many complaints about there being many "X is the first female Y" hooks as of late. Of the two hooks, I have a preference for ALT0; ALT1 is okay, but I wonder if there would be a way to avoid mentioning "Arkansas" twice in the hook. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:24, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: For the other hooks how about:

• ALT1a:... that Sharon Priest was a former mayor of Little Rock before becoming the Secretary of State of Arkansas in 1994? Source: source 1 source 2

Problem is that there are multiple cities named Little Rock, and I'm not sure if it's clear which Little Rock I'm referring to. As for the first elected versus first appointed, I can rewrite it without mentioning "first":

• ALT2a:... that in 1994, Sharon Priest became the second female Secretary of State of Arkansas after Nancy Hall was appointed the position in 1961? start year second woman

The encyclopedia of Arkansas incorrectly has her start year as 1995, but it should be 1994. I've tweaked the article to correct this issue. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:42, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I really don't think ALT2a could work either, since in the end it's still basically a "first female X" hook (with first replaced with second), and while personally I'd be fine with such hooks and even like them most of the time, many over at WT:DYK don't and would likely object if it was approved. ALT1a is okay but ALT0 is still the most quirky I think. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 22:42, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: No worries then. It's a bit complex anyways for ALT2/ALT2a. If you prefer Alt0 or 1, then that's fine with me. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:55, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

• Article is new enough, long enough, and adequately sourced. No close paraphrasing was found, and a QPQ has been done. ALT0 and ALT1a are both cited inline and verified, and are both acceptable; my preference is ALT0, but either hook can be promoted. The only concern is that ALT0's reference doesn't come after the part mentioning her birth in Montreal, but rather a little later into the article; the footnote needs to be duplicated for DYK purposes. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:47, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: Well, as both sentences are cited to the same source I thought it'd redundant. But in any sense, I've done what you've requested. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 01:55, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:08, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

• I have returned this one from prep as the hook is uninteresting - there are countless people born overseas who have become public servants in the United States. Please find a better hook. Gatoclass (talk) 11:04, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

• I also thought that the hook was uninteresting, and noticed that the article had no information at all about Priest's work during her 10 years in office. I have now added information and sources about that to the article, and it seems to me that there are a few possible hooks:

ALT3:... that Sharon Priest, Secretary of State of Arkansas, launched the first internet-based Information Network of Arkansas in 1995? (127 characters)

ALT3a:... that Sharon Priest, the first woman elected as Secretary of State of Arkansas, launched the first internet-based Information Network of Arkansas in 1995?

ALT4:... that Sharon Priest, Secretary of State of Arkansas, said electoral reform was unlikely unless people declared that democracy had a price, and they were willing to pay it? (170 characters)

ALT5: ... that Sharon Priest, Secretary of State of Arkansas, introduced a program called "Honor a Vet with a Vote", designed to raise awareness "that voting is a precious right"? (169 characters)

Other editors may want to tweak these after reading the article - or suggest other hooks. Pinging nominator @MrLinkinPark333: to check my additions to the article and new hooks. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:26, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

• ALT3 is pretty good IMO, except that I notice another hook says she was the second woman elected to that position after Nancy Hall, so maybe if the "first woman" bit was dropped from the hook? Gatoclass (talk) 14:03, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

• Nancy Hall was (apparently) appointed to the position after her husband (who had been elected), died. So Sharon Priest was the second woman to hold the position, but the first to be elected to it. But we could leave out "first woman elected as" from ALT3, and just focus on the new internet. (ALT4 was in 2001, and maybe would make more sense with that information included.) RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:38, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

If she was the first woman elected, then I think ALT3 is fine as it is. Gatoclass (talk) 14:49, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

@Gatoclass: I did not receive the ping from @RebeccaGreen: and only read this now. I wish to withdraw the nomination as I am no longer interested in this article. However, I do want to thank you both for your commentary and expanding the article. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:41, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

I am happy to adopt this nomination. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:39, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

I'd be okay with ALT3, but to avoid confusion (since I'm not sure if having the word "elected" is enough to prevent readers from potential confusion), the "first woman elected" part could probably be dropped. Of the three new hooks, ALT5 is probably the catchiest, thought ALT4 is also eye-catching. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:00, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

I've added an ALT3a without the "first woman elected" part. I do think that being the first woman elected to the role is worth noting - the role has existed since 1836 (not that the article says that, so unless it's added, we can't include it in the hook). But what she did is also interesting, and with a hook that leads readers to click on the article, readers will learn that she was the first to be elected. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:50, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

• ALT2b:... that in 1994, Sharon Priest became the first female elected to the office of Secretary of State of Arkansas? --evrik ^(talk) 18:12, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
• ALT3b:... that in 1995, Sharon Priest, the Secretary of State of Arkansas, launched the state's first internet-based information network? --evrik ^(talk) 18:12, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
• @Narutolovehinata5: How about these hooks? --evrik ^(talk) 17:05, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

The new suggestions are okay but ALT4 and ALT5 are IMO still more eye-catching. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I disagree, I think ALTs 4 and 5 read like pretty standard political-speak. My preference is still for ALT3. Gatoclass (talk) 13:14, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Alt 4 and Alt 5 are too political. Alt 3 is written poorly. What about 3a or 3 b? --evrik ^(talk) 16:36, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm fine with either of those. Gatoclass (talk) 17:39, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

• Approving Alt3a, and offering Alt3b for the promoter to consider. --evrik ^(talk) 19:49, 11 December 2019 (UTC)