Talk:Shaw Commission

Reconcile content

The section 1929 Hebron massacre#Commission of Enquiry should be only summary of this article but in reality it is longer. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 01:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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Zeq 22:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Benny Morris tells us Western Wall was threatened

There's nothing rubbish about the Morris information, it's all well known. I see no need to expand the portion of our article with some/all of these clips and information, but we can if people insist. Remember, Morris is a Zionist and is not sympathetic to Palestinians:

• Morris Benny, "Righteous Victims, a history of the Zionist-Arab Conflict 1881-2001", First Vintage edition 2001 (or Morris, Righteous Victims), p.112.
• ... The contention that the Jews were bent on taking over ... had long been a theme in Arab propaganda. For example, the Palestinian delegation to Mecca during the hajj, or pilgrimage, of 1922 had declared: "the Holy Places are in great danger on account of the horrible Zionist aggressions"
• On September 23-24, 1928 ... the SMC complained that Jews had set up a screen to separate men and women at the Wailing Wall (or Western Wall) in Jerusalem's Old City.
• The screen violated the status quo principle ... Failing to persuade the Jews to take it down, the police forcibly removed it.
• In 1928 the Muslims sought British confirmation of their traditional rights at the Wall, after all, they owned the Wall and the adjacent passage where the Jews worshipped.226 ... Right-wing Zionists began to demand Jewish control of the Wall
• On August 14, 1929, some 6,000 Jews marched in Tel Aviv, chanting, "The Wall is ours"; that evening, three thousand gathered at the Wall for prayer. The following day, hundreds of Jews-some of them extremist members of Betar, carrying batons-demonstrated on the site.
• If the aim of the rioters' leaders had been to shake Britain's commitment to the Balfour Declaration, they succeeded, at least in the short term. Sir John Chancellor on September I ... The Balfour Declaration, he wrote, had been "a colossal blunder."253
• Shaw Commission ... recommended that "excessive" Jewish immigration be halted; that eviction of Arab peasants be stopped; and that the government look into the issues of land sales to Jews immigration, and the Western Wall. The panel said the evictions were giving rise to "a landless and discontented class" of evictees.257
• Whitehall sent Sir John Hope-Simpson, a retired colonial official, to look into immigration, Jewish settlement, and land sales. "... The helplessness of the fellah appeals to the British official. The offensive assertion of the Jewish immigrant is, on the other hand, repellent:"260
• On October 21, 1930, the British government issued the Passfield White Paper, seriously reducing its commitment to the Balfour Declaration.
• But the riots ultimately failed to hurt the Zionist enterprise. "We had built too solidly and too well," wrote Weizmann.263 Britain's partial volte-face was to prove extremely short-lived. By early 1931 well-applied Zionist pressure in the press and lobbying by Weizmann in London bore fruit.

Meanwhile, "Crisis Magazine" smearing the Palestinian religious leader as "a principal architect of the Holocaust" is very close to a hate-site, as what we should not be using. PR^talk 11:44, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

OR violation

The summation of the primary source is selective, and close to an WP:NOR violation. All of the report should be referred to via secondary sources Nishidani (talk) 11:31, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Wording of report conclusions

On page 163 of the Report, the first paragraph of the section "Summary of findings as to the causes of the outbreak of August last", reads in full:

"The fundamental cause, without which in our opinion disturbances either would not occurred or would not have been little more than a local riot, is the Arab feeling of animosity and hostility towards the Jews consequent upon the disappointment of their political and national aspirations and fear for their economic future. The origin and growth of this feeling are discussed on pages 150 to 153 of Chapter XIII. The feeling as it exists today is based on the twofold fear of the Arabs that by Jewish immigration and land purchases they may be deprived of their livelihood and in time pass under the political domination of the Jews."

At some point someone claimed this text was not present and then someone else replaced it by different text from a 1947 document. However, the above is what it really says (I'm looking at the original) and so that's what the article should have. Zero^talk 00:45, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I found that the previous text is composed of three extracts of pages 150-151 of the report stitched together. The third part is missing context (the final sentence also refers to "extreme statements of Zionist policy"). In any case, what I have put in is verbatim from the report's conclusions so it is better. Zero^talk 10:17, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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