Talk:She (Green Day song)

Lyrics correction?

I have the booklet to the Dookie album, and the lyrics mentioned in the "Reception" section are wrong. I hate to edit, so somebody else take the edit. 5rockhopper4 (talk) 04:05, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Naked?

Okay, i checked the madison square garden page, and it doesnt mention bilie joe playing the song naked... im changing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.229.71 (talk) 22:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't. He did it somewhere♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ (talk) 03:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I put it back. seriously, yur link...--69.112.229.71 (talk) 00:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY4Oy_39dI0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.75.209 (talk) 03:54, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Music Video

Welcome to Paradise does have a music video. I fixed the article.--69.112.229.71 (talk) 00:27, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

Add to category feminist songs?

This song is definitely a feminist song in that it directly references a real situation girls/women find themselves in, and girls/women can identify with the struggle represented in it. Any thoughts on my adding this song to that category list (which is lacking good songs in a major way)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imagine 775 (talk • contribs) 07:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Hardly a feminist song when it's sung by an all male punk band. I don't really see how it is feminist in any way either. Nouse4aname (talk) 11:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

The lyrics are literally about a silenced woman, screaming in silence, "waiting for a sign to smash the silence with the brick of self-control", and she realizes all of her doubts came from outside of her, and smashes through it with "the brick of self control". Sounds entirely feminist to me. It's about a woman letting it out and breaking free. In an interview Billie Joe said the song was inspired by a feminist poem an old girlfriend showed him called “She”, and it was about an empowered woman. Any other thoughts on adding this song to that category?--Imagine 775 (talk) 09:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not actually a feminist song though. It is not widely regarded as such. Many songs have similar themes, but aren't necessarily feminist. Nouse4aname (talk) 09:56, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I have an almost reliable source for that interview. wait a sec....

Sorry. Green Day authority site has a song meanings section. i cant get to it right now. it states that a girl gave billie joe a poem that inspired this song. It sounds pretty feminist.--Greenday21 (talk) 23:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

However, it is not widely regarded as a feminist song. If every song that had even a hint of feminism about it was included in the list, then it would be thousands of pages long and thus be largely meaningless.Nouse4aname (talk) 19:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

The category list doesn't state that the songs on it need to be widely identified as feminist. It is songs with feminist themes. This song doesn't just have a hint of feminism. The whole song is feminist. Billie Joe wrote it as an "answer" to a feminist poem, also called She, that his girlfriend at the time showed him. "She gave me this poem about this empowering woman, which I think is called "She." I wrote the song as an answer back to her." http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/ultimate_albums/58025/episode_interviews_int.jhtml?start=1 I don't know what ISN'T feminist about this song, besides the fact that it is sung by a man, which is meaningless when the lyrics are entirely about an empowered woman.

--Imagine 775 (talk) 07:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC).

I don't think anyone else has agreed to the addition of this category. With reference to the lyrics, please explain how exactly this song is feminist, what themes of feminism it portrays, and how this song is any more feminist than some other song written about a girl? Nouse4aname (talk) 12:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

From the article on wikipedia "Feminism is...concerned with the issue of gender difference, that advocate equality for women, and that campaign for women's rights and interests". How does this song address these issues?

Any feminist will tell you that the key to women's rights is empowering women. As I've said before, this song is about a stifled woman, screaming in silence, finally breaking free of that silence and smashing it with her "brick of self control", no longer containing herself, and just letting it out. She’s been empowered. She has found her voice. When she finally breaks free, she realizes that she's been living with doubts that came from outside of herself ("She, she's figured out. All her doubts were someone else’s point of view".) It wasn't what she thought of herself, but an outside sources' thoughts of her (society, a boyfriend, her family, her friends etc.) and she's "waking up this time, to smash the silence with a brick of self control". She’s standing up for her right to be herself, and to form her own opinion of herself. She's claiming her individuality, and she isn't going to take it anymore. Then the song asks the question "Are you locked up in a world that's been planned out for you?". How many women throughout history and now still have endured that fate, merely succumbing to the life someone else arranged for them, and never feeling they can challenge it, because that’s simply their lot in life as women (arranged marriages, equal pay, obsession with beauty, diet, weight, pressure to be something for somebody else etc etc.) ? "Are you feeling like a social tool without a use?" how many women are watered down -- used as decoration, a "social tool", and a pawn for someone else’s benefit and never access their own potential as strong women? This song is about a woman breaking free of all of it, and choosing for herself, by screaming until someone's "ears bleed", and smashing that stifling, silence with her "brick of self control". That is feminism. A woman waking up, powerfully claiming her right to be herself no matter what anyone else thinks, and refuses to stand for anything less anymore. Obviously it isn't just a song about a girl for the reasons that I listed above and that it isn't superficial (about her body, name etc), or just a general profession of love or attraction. No one has disagreed with me but you Nouse4aname, and Greenday21 agreed that it was feminist. I would definitely like some other opinions on this so we can come to some kind of resolution.--Imagine 775 (talk) 06:44, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm still not convinced this is a feminist song, rather than just about some girl with issues. If you feel that strongly about it, then go ahead and add the category back. I can't be bothered arguing over this. Nouse4aname (talk) 08:01, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Will do.--Imagine 775 (talk) 04:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Genre

Please stop adding "punk rock" and "alternative rock" as genres."She" is a pop punk song, compare it with the other songs! It isn´t a punk rock or alternative rock song.--84.217.18.53 (talk) 14:47, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Is there a source for "pop punk"? That sounds like your opinion. I could find sources that state it's an alternative rock song. --Blaguymonkey (talk) 02:34, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

If you "could" why don't you? If it's not your opinion it doesn't mean it's only mine and it's wrong. If your ears can't detect the genre which is pretty obvious (compare it with their other alternative rock songs like Boulevard of broken dreams for example) then you shouldn't argue here.--Revilal90 (talk) 08:28, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

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