Talk:She Belongs to Me

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Meaningless phrase

"The melody is gentle, the phrasing relaxed and the song has a swaying, waltz-like tempo." This has a footnote, so I assume it's a paraphrase from the book cited. Nevertheless, it means very little. Tempo is the speed a tune is played at, not the underlying rhythm of the tune. Waltz is a rhythm, and waltzes are in 3/4 time, but She Belongs To Me is in 4/4 time and is not a waltz. (Although The Beatles' song For No One was once described as a "4/4 waltz" - however, it sounds nothing like She Belongs To Me.) This sentence has the hallmarks of being a paraphrase by someone with no knowledge of music theory from a book written by someone with slim knowledge of music theory. In any case, I don't think it's sufficiently meaningful or sufficiently objective to be any help in describing the song in question. My subjective impression of the song is that it has a rather tense, bluesy melody, and that Dylan sings it with a certain pointedness. My view is that this sentence is unhelpful and should be deleted. Lexo (talk) 22:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Shelton uses the "waltz-like" adjective in describing the tempo. But you're right - waltz-like describes a rhythm, not a tempo. So I edited the sentence to make more sense. Rlendog (talk) 02:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree

This song is not a waltz. I am removing this phrase. XomokyH (talk)

The phrase is COMPLETELY USELESS AND FALSE, regardless of who said it. It is misleading and contradictory. The ONLY thing a waltz refers to is the 3/4 time signature, which this song DOES NOT have. It would be like describing a bird as having catlike reflexes. XomokyH (talk)

TO RLENDOG:

Stop describing this song as waltz-like! Unless you have a very good reason as to why musicians should completely redefine what a waltz is, you should not get away with using this word wrong. Since you keep changing it back, you seem to be very sure of yourself and your source, but let me assure you (and I capitalize for emphasis): "SHE BELONGS TO ME" DOES NOT HAVE A WALTZ-LIKE RHYTHM! IN ABSOLUTELY NO WAY IS THIS SONG LIKE A WALTZ! And as a member of WikiProject Bob Dylan, you should be more inclined to dispense the truth than to assert these thoughtless opinions. XomokyH (talk)

The words are a quote from Robert Shelton, and as such, properly referenced, one doesn't have to agree with them. Furthermore it does NOT say the song is a waltz, it says it is waltz-LIKE. Big difference. Unless there is a concensus to remove the words then they should stay in. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 19:49, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I reworded the comment to make the attribution explicit. Hopefully, that resolves the issue. Rlendog (talk) 21:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, if the word can't disappear, then I must add a disclaimer. The song is by no means a waltz. The song has nothing to do with a waltz. Actually, Robert Shelton is wrong. Richhoncho, the phrase "waltz-like" means absolutely nothing and there is currently a 2-user consensus to eliminate it altogether. Why must we keep it in? Does it really add to the quality of the article? XomokyH (talk)

If you found a better description and could reference it, I am sure Rlendog and I would agree to a change, but I can't see any value in removing a referenced quote - irrespective of your, or my, understanding of the quote. Actually I think the present situation is 2 users would like to remove and 2 want to keep at the moment, so I would argue the consensus is with the status quo at the moment. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Maria

The song She Belongs To Me was written in 1965, the year Bob Dylan married Shirley Noznisky [aka Sara Lownds]. He adopted her [and Hans Lownds'] three year old daughter Maria in 1965. Now the weak point of Kent Crispin's theory is that the song predates the marriage and adoption, but it would have been written when both were being planned...

She Belongs To Me / Bob Dylan [Bringing It All Back Home - 1965] [For: Maria Lownds [later: Dylan] aged 3]

Worth listening to the song with that in mind, then the words fit better. EDLIS Café 19:01, 16 September 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EdRicardo (talk • contribs)

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