Talk:Shikhin

AD/CE, BC/BCE style

@Davidbena, JudeccaXIII, and Jerm: I have expanded this article with my edits from Dec-Jan by about 50%, using the era style that, by any stretch of the imagination, is the only proper one in an article about a Jewish village from the Hasmonean to Byzantine periods in Galilee that never turned Christian, is mentioned in the Talmud, but not in the New Testament, and had no apparent bearing on the life of Jesus: BCE & CE. Before my additions, there had been one use of BC, and one use of AD in the paragraphs, which was repeated a 2nd time in the lead. I have introduced material mentioning three dates, which I styled fittingly to the topic - BCE/CE. Then I changed the already present BC/AD to BCE/CE as part of expanding and unifying the article. Please note that the article had mixed up at least one of the sources, had a miswritten term ("Jabel"), included wrong and even nonsensical info ("wine press cisterns"), didn't mention the essential 1988 survey that identified the site, etc. When an article has this level of problems, it is perfectly legitimate to treat it as "raw material" and redo it thoroughly. Jerm is angry with me because of my fixes of his pet project, Alexander Jannaeus, where his faulty reading of the admittingly difficult English of the Josephus translations led to very weird statements, which I amended. Better knowledge of very basic facts relating to the Jerusalem temple would have helped him avoid misunderstanding the text; that is not a fault in itself, we all need to learn, except that he prefers to doubt that other people can indeed know more about the topic they're editing on, by academic studies, private reading, and personally visiting pretty much all of the major archaeological sites in the relevant area (Israel, Palestinian territories and Jordan), and refuses to allow for the possibility that knowledge can help quality edits. Now he found a "stick to beat me with", the era style, and stalks my edits. It's ridiculous. I really, honestly don't have the time to deal with these personal crusades, so I'll leave it at this. If you think there's a merit to my point, you know what to do; if not, let Jerm do his thing. Don't forget: there is only one raison d'etre for this Wiki project, and that is: the user should get the best encyclopedic experience, have the right info available on the go, and be able to trust it. The rest is egos and boredom. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 06:45, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

@Arminden: Determining the original era-style goes by the first use of an era-style in the article which was BC/AD via here. You were specifically told at ANI not to do it again. I checked your edits during are dispute. I am restoring original era-style until you receive consensus to do so. And expanding an article does not give you the right to determine your own consensus when it comes to era-style. BTW, I have not reverted you yet at Alexander Jannaeus because the discussion is still ongoing. Jerm (talk) 12:02, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Additionally, I alone expanded Alexander Jannaeus from this to its current condition, and I still asked for consensus to change the era-style despite knowing the subject was completely Jewish. And what upsets me the most at Alexander Jannaeus, is your lack of communication such as your constant vanishings during a discussion at its talk page. Jerm (talk) 12:41, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

User talk:Jerm, shalom. Probably the best thing to do in this case is to submit a RfC. There seems to be a consensus that CE (Common Era) is better than AD, in this case.Davidbena (talk) 16:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

@Davidbena: Hello. RfC is usually started after a discussion fails. In this case though, Arminden doesn't want to follow basic Wiki procedure by requesting to change era-style at the talk page per WP:ERA. He changes era styles without discussion. Arminden was already sent to ANI because of this and was told by multiple editors including an admin not to do it again. Obviously he didn't listen. But now that we are talking about changing the era style of this article, I do Support the change to the Common Era (BCE/CE). Jerm (talk) 19:05, 15 January 2020 (UTC)