Talk:Shin'ichirō Tomonaga

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He's one of the few Japanese celeb whose names appear in English media in the Kunrei or Nippon system of Japanese romanization.

Let's have a redirect from Shinichiro Tomonaga

romanization

This type of romanization may have been more common while he was still alive, but today it is no longer considered clear or accurate in terms of guiding non japanese speakers pronunciation. All textbooks currently used to teach japanese to english speakers will transcribe this name as "shinichiro", and I see little reason to confuse the issue by using a romanization style that was abandoned for good reasons.

One problem, Smear. This guy is best known under his Kunrei form name. Therefore, the Kunrei-shiki name is where the article is. WhisperToMe 02:49, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

And again with adventures in romanization. WtM, stop! STOP this insanity! You DO NOT NEED to create redirect pages for Japanese topics under every single possible misspelling and romanization you can dream up! WHY do you persist??! Sin-Itiro is WRONG WRONG WRONG. Exploding Boy 18:08, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)

Do a google search. You'll find out quickly why I moved it. The page was here before. WhisperToMe 01:13, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

And I dream up redirects of "ever single misspelling" because in reality people tend to spell Japanese words using a variety of non-standard romanization styles. There ARE on the internet many ways to spell certain names. It's amusing, really. WhisperToMe 01:14, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

"Sin-Itiro is WRONG WRONG WRONG. Exploding Boy 18:08, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC) " - No, it can't be called "wrong" since it is standard Kunrei-shiki. But in most cases, it is not appropriate for a title as most Anglophones use Hepburn and NOT Kunrei-shiki. However, Tomonaga's case is special as that spelling is most common in English and he most likely called himself by that spelling. WhisperToMe 01:25, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sin-Itiro is NOT standard Kunreishiki. Exploding Boy 17:17, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)

Hm, you most likely are correct on the dash thing, but that doesn't really matter much in this argument as pops spelled his name with the dash. (The other thing it lacks is the circumflex on "Ichiro") WhisperToMe 01:07, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I realise you find it amusing wasting your time coming up with new and ever more bizarre ways to spell Japanese words in English, but it is unnecessary and frankly serves only to clutter up the Wiki. As you have been told umpteen times, anyone who is going to search for these words using the obscure and often incorrect spellings you create is going to know enough to search under correct romanization. It's not necessary to preempt people -- if it turns out to be necessary, someone will create it. I wonder if there's a redirect for Jorge Boosh? That's akin to what you're doing. Exploding Boy 18:15, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)

I agree with user Exploding Boy.

User WhisperToMe, you need to learn Japanese, because quite frankly, I don't think you even know what you're talking about. First off, WP:MJ says that We use modified Hepburn, not We use Kunrei-shiki when it's use is most popular. It should be "Shin'ichiro Tomonaga". This page should be moved, but someone should write "He was better known as Sin-Itiro Tomonaga, or something similar. Moocowsrule (talk) 20:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule

And another vote for moving the article to "Shin'ichiro Tomonaga". Wikipedia's policy on romanization is clearly stated in WP:MJ and all articles about Japanese topics should be consistent.24.78.109.120 (talk) 03:32, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

The article should remain "Sin-Itiro Tomonaga" per WP:MOS-JP#Names of modern figures, which clearly states "Use the form publicly used on behalf of the person in the English-speaking world", and seeing as Tomonaga was known as "Sin-Itiro" in the English world, that shall be his name. moocowsrule^{talk to moo} 05:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Some of you people need to actually learn how to speak and study Japanese before deciding on how to romanize this guy's name. It sounds retarded. "Shin'ichiro Tomonaga" is the proper way of romanizing this guy's name and ANYONE who's studied Japanese more than 5 minutes would arrive at this conclusion. Again, this is a perfect example of why Wikipedia is defeated by retards who think the ability to play God by writing articles makes up for knowing dick all in the real world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.181.149 (talk) 05:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what wikipedia's policy is regarding this but as a native English speaker and an advanced Japanese speaker I can shed some light on the romanisation system. The Japanese use both the Kunrei and modified Hepburn systems of romanisation. It is confusing even for Japanese people as they are taught the Kunrei system in elementary school, (しん＝Sin, つ＝tu) and then from Junior High School onwards they have to re-learn the modified Hepburn system. (しん＝Shin,つ＝tsu). For an English speaker, the modified Hepburn system makes much more sense, as it transliterates the Japanese sounds more accurately into English. For Japanese people either system is equally as good.

However, in an English-dominated world the Japanese tend to use the Hepburn system for most purposes. (It is officially used by the Japanese government for example). For my money if Tomonaga used the Kunrei system himself, then that is how it should be rendered. The article has both so I don't see a problem. I do understand why it can irritate some English speakers though, it used to irritate me, but one has to look at it objectively. Certainly in most cases the modified Hepburn system is preferable and should be used. Only in rare cases would I argue for the Kunrei system to be used and this would appear to be one of them if Tomonaga really did use Kunrei himself. Antarctic-adventurer (talk) 16:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

For example, Encyclopedia Britannica defaults to Shin'ichiro: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/599000/Tomonaga-Shinichiro Since his actual name is in kanji, and presumably we don't want to use that, we should use the current romanization system. Beijing used to be Peking. Sin-Itiro should be Shinichiro, or add the apostrophe and macron if you feel you need to. The apostrophe is used to indicate a syllabic N, and the macron a long O. Neither distinction affects the pronunciation when the word is mapped to English phonology, so the two diacritical marks are unnecessary. Yes, they are used in Japanese textbooks for teaching the Japanese language, where they are appropriate, but they shouldn't be used elsewhere. 103.16.26.133 (talk) 04:12, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Having just stumbled onto this page and am a novice in Japanese, but having his name written in this old system does look quite bizarre. I'd never seen Shinichiro romanized like that before, and it is a fairly common Japanese name, so I've seen it written many times.

Josephus37 (talk) 00:51, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

first boy?

What's that mean, he was the first boy? He had older sisters who aren't even worth thinking about? Can someone with the info fix this? Thanks. Phr (talk) 04:14, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Shin'ichiro was Sanjuro's second child, with one older sister, one younger brother, one younger sister. "Born ... as the first boy" might come from a possible sentence of 長男として生まれた that could have been in some reference, with the term 長男 (chōnan) literally meaning "eldest boy". Back then, the sex of any children were considered important, so being 長男 was a singnificant matter (and often, that's still the case in Japan). I don't see much problem here, but maybe I should change it to "second child" so it'd be more gender-neutral. --朝彦 (Asahiko) 10:54, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

A year before the americans?

I have read that Sin-Itiro Tomonaga had developed QED theory one year ahead of the americans. Is this true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.73.146 (talk) 23:31, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

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magnetron

"During the war he studied the magnetron, meson theory, and his "super-many-time" theory." Is there any evidence that Tomonaga was attracted to magnetron - vacuum tube that generates microwaves using the interaction of a stream of electrons with a magnetic field while moving past a series of open metal cavities (cavity resonators)? Or, was that time the word "magnetron" used as a name for some quantum particle (like for a supposed element of magnetism)? Thanks for explanation. JOb 11:24, 31 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JOb (talk • contribs)

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