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Changing Shin Hye Sun into Shin Hae Sun

It has been an ongoing debate on how to properly address actress Shin Hae Sun. Her name when literally romanized translates to "Hye" and she is often credited and cited as #ShinHyeSun by the mainstream media such as soompi, allkpop and whatsoever. However, the actress chose her official English name as Shin Hae Sun. To prove this, her agency promotes her in the name of Shin Hae Sun as seen in their official website. She also writes her autograph as "Shaesun" and furthermore, to make it even more official, the actress herself also updated her Instagram bio @[[User:Shinhs831)]with the name Shin Hae Sun on it. In line with this, the purpose of this topic is to reach a consensus that may urge editors of this platform to rectify and reach a resolution that will officially change her name into Shin Hae Sun, the name she chose and the name she wishes to be addressed and credited as. It may take some time to change little by little but hoping that soon she may be unanimously recognized and honored by the name she chose. Eeicarg (talk) 13:18, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Eeicarg You don't do so by editing disruptively as evidenced in the revision's history, and also edit warring and personal attacks against an admin (bad choice; you're lucky that you are not blocked). In addition, you also don't so by changing the content only, and leaving the title as it is, both goes together. If you want the proposed changes to be made, open up a RM discussion (a process that takes at least 1 week minimum) by following the instructions at WP:RSPM, and also provide independent secondary reliable sources in the rationale as evidence that whatever that you're proposing is indeed a WP:COMMONNAME. And fyi, "soompi, allkpop" falls under WP:KO/RS#UR hence these are considered as unreliable sources. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:22, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Well that was because I was new, didn't even knew how to change the title and fyi i know it goes together, I just don't know enough how to do it. I'm not the only one to attempted to edit, if you wouldve told us what to do in the beginning, I would've known how to properly do it. That's why I'm in the talk page, aren't I? And another fyi, I didnt say soompi and allkpop are reliable sources, I said they are mainstream media so naturally people will believe what they say. How can cite them as reliable when they can't even get Shin Hae Sun's name right, right? Eeicarg (talk) 13:36, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

and for the repetitve editing. That was on me, I thought there weren't real people behind the first reply and admittedly not smart enough and thought it was AI or something. Eeicarg (talk) 13:40, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Eeicarg I'm not sure what you mean by "told us". If you're editing as a team and/or a collective coordinated individuals, do note that WP:TAGTEAM forbide such. And fyi, if you happened to open up a RM discussion, do note that WP:CANVASsing won't be tolerated.

(edit conflict) To addon, your failure to received any replies (from me) on your talk page is due to you not WP:PINGing me hence I didn't received any notification. I won't expect you to know as a newly user here, and just an information. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 22 July 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Waqar💬 15:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

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Shin Hye-sun → Shin Hae-sun – With the continuing rise in popularity of actress <Shin Hae-sun>, the spelling of her English name has been up for debate for quite some time.

Since her debut in School 2013, many have spelled her name as <Shin Hye-sun>; others have spelled it as <Shin Hae-sun> (a difference in Hye or Hae). In recent years, many have pointed out that her own signature and places like her agency (YNK Entertainment under IOK Company) spelled her name with Hae, yet, many sources continued to spell it as Hye since it was the most common spelling since her debut (Hye is also a common spelling amongst other Korean celebrities like Park Shin-hye and Kim Hye-yoon, adding to its credibility at the time). Here are some other reliable sources that correctly spells her name with Hae: KoBiz, The Korean Herald, Korea JoongAng Daily, and The Korea Times.

It was only until last year that the actress added her English name to her Instagram account, spelling it herself as Hae. But due to the immense commonality of Hye across the internet, there wasn't a big change in how articles/sources/new fans spelled her name. As such, I am proposing that we change the spelling of her name to Hae, rather than Hye, as to fix the misinformation that is still at large. It is only right that we respect how the actress spells her own name. Imanomynous (talk) 22:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Comment WP:COMMONNAME, it's not technically Wikipedia's job to influence how people spell names. We're just supposed to reflect what is currently popularly done. If you can prove that the new spelling is currently more popular (you've already proven it's official, but commonness often takes priority over officialness), then I can vote to move. Note that I bolded "currently" intentionally; what was common in the past doesn't matter, per COMMONNAME; if the majority of recent sources use the new spelling then we can change this article's title to match that. Otherwise withholding vote for now 104.232.119.107 (talk) 09:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I searched recent news articles and regarding commonness, Hye is still more common than Hae, sadly. While the new spelling is slowly catching on (especially with Korean news articles), I guess it'll take a few more years or so before it overtakes the incorrect spelling since Hye is such a common spelling in many Korean words.

Personally, I think that many of these non-Korean news articles/sites are spelling it as Hye because of popular websites like Wiki or IMDb that spells it as such. If we could vote to change the spelling based on officialness, I think we may see major changes in the upcoming years. Imanomynous (talk) 19:27, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

@Imanomynous Pertaining to "many of these non-Korean news articles/sites are spelling it as Hye because of popular websites like Wiki or IMDb that spells it as such. If we could vote to change the spelling based on officialness, I think we may see major changes in the upcoming years", please read WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as the current titling (Shin Hye-sun) is the WP:COMMONNAME. A WP:BEFORE (yes, this policies is talking about AfD but regardless carries the same meaning intended) search on Google and Bing (the two most used search engines) returns over 760 thousands results with search term of "Shin Hye-sun" while only 168 thousands results with search term of "Shin Hae-sun", and this is before minusing away any form of WP:NOTRELIABLE sources (for example WP:QUESTIONABLE sources and/or WP:RSSELF sources, etc), and also the unreliable sources listed on WP:KO/RS#UR and WP:RSPSS. A reminder, as stated on the WP:RM, it's okay to disagree to the replier's comments hence there is no need to debate with the replier to change their mind. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:54, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.