Talk:Shogun/GA1

GA Reassessment

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I will be doing the GA Reassessment on this article as part of the GA Sweeps project. I have found this article to not meet the GA Criteria. Here are my concerns:

• There are several sections that either have no citations or only have one citation. The article should be better references. I've added a couple of templates to help identify some of the areas where citations are needed.
• Comprehensiveness is also an issue. This is a huge subject with the potential for a lot more information to be added. The history section is fairly minimal and should be beefed up with more facts. The impact of imperialism on the Shogunate is an interesting subject that has no coverage here. Also expanding on that is the influence of Europeans in general is also not explored in this article.
• The lead is to be a summary of the article yet there are sections of the article not mentioned in the lead.
• There is also a clarification needed tag that has been on the article since November 2008 with no apparent action.

Overall I can't keep the article as GA as it currently stands. I will hold it for one week and see if work can be done to improve it. H1nkles (talk) 02:56, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It has been a week with no apparent work done on my suggestions. As such I will delist the article. Should editors disagree with this decision please bring the issue to the WP:GAR page for a community reassessment. H1nkles (talk) 16:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Conflicting accounts need fixing

The inconsistency between the following two articles needs fixing:

The Tokugawa clan article tells us: The Tokugawa clan ... nominally descended from Emperor Seiwa (850–880) and were a branch of the Minamoto clan (Seiwa Genji) by the Nitta clan.

But the Shogun article tells us: Tokugawa Ieyasu ... received the title sei-i taishōgun in 1603 after he forged a family tree to show he was of Minamoto descent.[11]

11.^ Titsingh, I. (1834). Annales des empereurs du Japon, p. 409

Unless one of these versions is purely an eccentric fringe theory, then both versions need to appear in both articles, due to WP:NPOV. If one of them is fringe (something which I'm in no position to decide), then the non-fringe version needs to appear in both articles. Tlhslobus (talk) 13:52, 4 February 2013 (UTC)