Talk:Short Hills, New Jersey

Header Image

Isn’t the image in the infobox from downtown Millburn, not Short Hills? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FLXXX-JPN (talk • contribs) 04:05, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Development

I removed the paragraph discussing McMansion construction as original research. Please find a source.68.193.236.63 01:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Hartshorn Music Hall/Racquets Club

The Racquets Club's Club House burned to the ground in the 1970s or 80s. So unless there were more buildings on the property, the music hall no longer exists.

income data

I added a link for the income data for Short Hills and other census data. I do not know how to put a reference in after the income to refer to the census data, if someone can do this, I would appreciate it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pmb600 (talk • contribs) 19:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

Allegations of Racism

Please provide evidence the founder was an "extreme"(or even at all) anti-semite and racist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.25.74.41 (talk) 20:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2014

Anne Hathaway is from Millburn, NJ and not Short Hills. Please remove her from the Notables list. Thank you. Jenducknj (talk) 02:11, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Not done: Quoting the source cited in the article: "So what was the common denominator that enabled Hathaway to relate to Austen? 'Loneliness,' the Brooklyn-born, Short Hills, NJ-reared actress confessed." —C.Fred (talk) 02:21, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Changes to area and population

DemocraticLuntz, I've corrected an error your recent edits introduced. The "Census2010" reference you deleted was still in use, and after you deleted it the article had an undefined reference.

Your recent edit continues a pattern of unreferenced changes. The reference you use for population works, and fortunately it gives the same number that the article uses elsewhere from a different reference.

But you've also changed the areas and densities for this city and I can't make any sense of the reference you used. The element in the JSON document returned from your reference is here:

{"attributes":{"NAME":"Short Hills CDP","STATE":"34","PLACE":"67320","AREALAND":13614839,"AREAWATER":26990,"LSADC":"57","CENTLAT":"+40.7388055","CENTLON":"-074.3278245"}}

It seems like the areas given are in square meters, is this correct? With rounding, they seem to match the numbers you provided. Is a more human-friendly (and therefore more easily verified) source available?

You've changed both the population and the area of the location, but you haven't changed the population density. Should the population density numbers be removed from the article?

Also, you've changed the area information only in the infobox; different and contradicting numbers remain in the article's prose. What is your plan for making the content of the article consistent? -- Mikeblas (talk) 19:41, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for this more civil engagement. "With rounding, they seem to match the numbers you provided. Is a more human-friendly (and therefore more easily verified) source available?" Unfortunately, I wasn't easily able to find one, and I believe that (a) you're supposed to link to the actual source you used (b) per WP:SOURCEACCESS, difficulty of access (or understanding) is not a reason to reject a source. I will put a TODO on my script page regarding the density as one of several things I will look at and debug before running it again. DemocraticLuntz (talk) 12:52, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

I think that is more of an issue with WP:NONENG than WP:SOURCEACCESS. The source is readily accessible (no subscription or paywall or registration) but is not readily understood (not really in English, which is preferred -- over other languages, like Japanese. And JSON.) The Census quick facts pages are approachable and have both population and area information, and are in plain English. -- Mikeblas (talk) 16:12, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I've looked into this and it seems to me like the Template:USCensusDemographics is to blame. How would anyone (script or not) possibly figure out that said template was implicitly relying on a "Census2010" reference to be defined elsewhere in the article???? Had I done it manually and carefully, I still wouldn't have caught it because the Census2010 reference isn't defined elsewhere on the page (as you can see with what my script did with the CensusArea reference [1], when the reference is explicitly in existence elsewhere on the page, the script saves any reference it deletes [due to updating] and replaces it where needed elsewhere in the article.

Yeah, that is extremely messed up now that I've looked at Template:USCensusDemographics. It seems to me like something like that where the only way you can tell that removing the reference is a no-go is by editing the page and seeing if it causes an error is a bad idea?? Who looks for that when editing?

DemocraticLuntz (talk) 19:36, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Haha I see you're on the template also expressing concerns about it a year ago.

It looks like something that would be great to write code for my script to fix (if I'm ever allowed to use it again). I really was just feeling unappreciated for the many hundreds of hours I put into the population compilation and I'm not trying to be a dick. I hope it can get sorted out ....

Regarding the sourcing issue, still, aren't we supposed to use the actual source used? Quickfacts could after all theoretically differ from the API source (this would've more likely been a real concern regarding older Censuses from PDFs where one place might've had a typo).

19:45, 17 October 2022 (UTC) DemocraticLuntz (talk) 19:45, 17 October 2022 (UTC)