Talk:Sicilian pizza

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Edward 21:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Let's research and expand this page. Sicilian pizza is more important than this. Without it, Chicago-style would probably have never been created. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.32.245.125 (talk) 01:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

In addition, a quality made Sicilian pizza will turn the pizza box into a quality scraping sauce. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_pizza"

What exactly does the above sentence mean?? How can a pizza box be turned into a sauce? Or do they mean the top of the pizza box will scrape all the quality sauce off of it?!? I am bafffledes and dumbbfoundedd duh.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.110.164.222 (talk) 18:45, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I reverted this sentence of nonsense/vandalism from the article.- AKeen (talk) 03:22, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I am new to wikipedia and will attempt to improve the Sicilian Pizza entry as a way to get my feet wet. I welcome feedback so help me improve my wiki prowess! Shadegarden (talk) 17:05, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

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Italian tomato pie

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No merge nomination withdrawn. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 19:34, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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It's not clear to me that Italian tomato pie is really distinct from sfincione. The "typical palermitan sfincione" in the gallery section looks an awful lot like Utica tomato pies that I've had. I'm suggesting merging any actual content from Italian tomato pie into the section Sicilian pizza#In the United States, and maybe leaving out the (poorly cited, impossible to settle) part about who was the first to sell it in the US. -Apocheir (talk) 15:27, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

• Support per above. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 15:37, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose Not the same thing, initially the article was incorrect the Italian tomato pie is different from the New Jersey tomato pie. Tomato pie is certainly a notable form of pizza as is the New Jersey version. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 01:44, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm OK with moving the New Jersey tomato pie stuff; I have some questions but I'll put them on the talk page there. I'd prefer that the Utica/Philadelphia tomato pie stay here. There's not really enough material on it for a separate page, and it really does seem to be an American version of sfincione. So the set up I'd like to see is:

• Trenton tomato pie is about Trenton/New Jersey tomato pie
• Sicilian pizza#Tomato pie is about Utica/Philadelphia tomato pie
• Italian tomato pie should be a redirect to the Tomato pie disambiguation page

Let me know if you're opposed to this.

(P.S. To make this even more confusing, it seems like there are some uses of "tomato pie" that just mean "regular pizza": as an example, the restaurant My Tomato Pie in Buffalo, NY. I might add a note about that usage to the Tomato pie dab page.) -Apocheir (talk) 00:23, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

I think that Italian tomato pie's commonname is in fact tomato pie. The Utica/Philadelphia tomato pie is a tomato pie or Italian tomato pie. However the term Italian distinguishes it from a "pie with tomatoes". Valoem ^{talk contrib} 12:29, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

The term "Italian tomato pie" is itself ambiguous: it could refer to Trenton tomato pie or Utica/Philadelphia tomato pie. -Apocheir (talk) 14:31, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, I've never heard of anyone calling tomato pie "Italian tomato pie", but it appears sources do cover it. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 20:42, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Do you disagree with redirecting Italian tomato pie to tomato pie, since the two main types of Italian tomato pie have their own pages? -Apocheir (talk) 00:47, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

No I agree ... but you have to merge the information, acutually its better to have a second opinion @Northamerica1000:. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 07:32, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

I've remerged Italian tomato pie into this article and Trenton tomato pie. If I missed anything, please don't revert Italian tomato pie again, but add whatever I missed. -Apocheir (talk) 17:43, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

• @Apocheir: I've had to revert that because of additional sources I've found see here. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 17:29, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Those references are all for southern tomato pie, not Italian tomato pie. -Apocheir (talk) 18:29, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
    • Yes I know that's why I had to revert I think it should merge with Sicilian pizza not Tomato pie the DAB. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 18:36, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose – Per the respective articles, Sicilian pizza originated in Sicily, Italian tomato pie originated in the Eastern United States. Merging will likely just make the matter confusing to Wikipedia's readers. Why not just keep separate? North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:22, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

How would you feel about pulling Italian tomato pie into Pizza in the United States? -Apocheir (talk) 20:41, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Prefer to keep separate. The Italian tomato pie article has received 2,007 page views in the last thirty days as of this post. If merged, less people will likely learn about it, because they will have to read through the much longer Pizza in the United States article to see it. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:22, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I am not sure if Italian tomato pie is different from Sicilian pizza. Some sources say an Italian tomato pie can have cheese on top, but I see other sources refer to the same pizza as Sicilian with cheese. Can anyone find sources distinguishing the two? @Apocheir:, @Northamerica1000:, and @BD2412: Valoem ^{talk contrib} 18:26, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

I have never said that Italian tomato pie and Sicilian pizza are the same thing. Italian tomato pie and sfincione may be the same thing, however. -Apocheir (talk) 20:17, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm withdrawing this merge request, because I've found that while the pages were merged, people performing automatic disambiguation of links using DisamAssist changed links intended to go to Italian tomato pie to Trenton tomato pie instead. -Apocheir (talk) 19:11, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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Twice baked

Yes Sicilian pizza is often rectangular, and it's often thick crusted. But I see no mention in this article of one of the primary characteristics that makes a pizza "Sicilian" -- that it is baked twice. It goes in the oven once with just the crust and the dough, and baked until the dough has risen. The it's taken out, cooled, topped with the cheese (and other toppings, if desired), returned to the oven and baked a second time, until the cheese melts and starts to brown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 (talk) 02:36, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm replying to you to keep this very important discussion alive. JacktheBrown (talk) 12:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Reference n. 9

The reference n. 9 is "dead"; in addition, reference n. 12 isn't formatted correctly. JacktheBrown (talk) 12:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)