Talk:Siddur

Its not what you think!

Its not what you think!  :) I only removed the Artscroll siddur from the references as part of the removal of all siddurim. I was operating under the tentative classification of having this article be about the history of the siddur, while the article on Jewish services would be about services and siddurim as they exist (hence, the references on this page to liturgical history.) Yet see my note today the subject, on the WikiJudaism project page. This distinction is up for grabs. Maybe all the content on Jewish services should be moved here, and a separate article be set up on the history of the liturgy? RK 17:24, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)

actually we are currently working on a newer version of the Singer's Prayer Book, so you might want to change your reference to the "Centenary Edition of the Singer's Prayer Book" since the new Singer's Prayer Book won't be out until Rosh HaShanna —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.74.118.130 (talk • contribs)

I completely rewrote the section on the chabad siddur, as it was both untrue and poorly worded, and rewrote it as a reference to the general sefarad siddur.

i need a list of sefarad siddurim there. I only know the chabad ones.74.138.193.126 (talk) 16:04, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

also i was unsure what version of the history to use, so i used a general compromise on all sides... anyone else who wants to look up the jewish encyclopedia and publish from that, or some other such thing, is welcome to do so.74.138.193.126 (talk) 16:06, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Added daat.co.il

daat.co.il has a terriffic online siddur project that contains complete texts with vowels, and it's in actual text format unlike some other online siddurim. i added it to the links section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluesdance (talk • contribs) 22:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Forward Article

Even a New Siddur Can’t Close ‘God Gap’ is a really interesting overview and history of English language translations.... Fintor (talk) 09:26, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Hebrew spelling at top of article regarding yud and chirik malei

The Hebrew for siddur is spelled samekh, yodh, daled, vav, reish. However, this is incorrect, because the hiriq vowel on the samech is not a chirik malei. Therefore, there should be no yud in between the samech and the daled. Same goes for the plural. I am editing the article unless anyone objects. Alternatively, if anyone knows how to use Hebrew font on Wikipedia, they can make it look like it is on the vidui page. The form for siddur and vidui is called the shem hape'ulah, or in english, the gerund.

Whether the spelling with the yud is correct or incorrect depends on what kind of Hebrew you are talking about. For modern Hebrew without nikud (or, if you prefer, niqud), the spelling with the yud is correct. The spelling is incorrect by the norms of Biblical Hebrew. I think the spelling in the article should be the modern spelling (as it is in the Hebrew Wikipedia). Yehuda Falk (talk) 09:15, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I disagree. What you say is true of Israeli Hebrew, but untrue of rabbinic or any other variant of traditional or religious Hebrew till the present day: it's not just a question of remote Biblical Hebrew, when there was no such word anyway. And as this article is about the Jewish religion and not about Israeli culture we should stick to that spelling (samech, dalet, vav, resh); which is the one you will find on the spine of any actual siddur! --Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) (talk) 17:22, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I have "actual siddurim" that have the yud (including some editions of Rinat Yisrael), but I suppose that since they are Israeli siddurim they don't count. As for the spelling of Rabbinic Hebrew, it is actually pretty inconsistent, with a fair amount of mixture of "ktiv male" and "ktiv haser". This hangup that there is one proper spelling is a modern obsession. (There are even inconsistencies of spelling in Biblical Hebrew, although I don't know off-hand about the specific mishkal in question.) Yehuda Falk (talk) 06:54, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

List of Siddurim

Hi, all. The list of siddurim is getting long, and seems to have grown from being a representative list to being a fairly substantial list. (Calling it a "comprehensive" list is probably a little overdoing it, but the list is getting pretty substantial anyway.) I'd like to pose two questions to people here:

1. Are we willing to let the list get long here? Alternatively: should it be split into a list article?
2. To what extent do we want to include machzorim here?

I'll kick off with my own opinion. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:55, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

1. For the moment, I think we should leave this as a single article. I'm not sure there is quite enough "core" content in the article to justify a spin-off.
2. As long as the list is contained inside this article, I'd like to remove all the machzorim here and put them in the corresponding location of the article Machzor. If we get to the point of splitting the list off, we can then discuss whether a list article should combine siddurim and machzorim or not. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:55, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

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Cleaning external links

@MrOllie: On the whole, I applaud what you just did. But do you have a strong objection to my restoring this one:

• The Open Siddur Project

It's an open and stable wiki, and seems to meet the criteria for acceptable links. Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:45, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Looks well maintained, I wouldn't have any objection to adding it back. - MrOllie (talk) 20:32, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

TY. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:02, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Ashkenazi terminology

The article is misleading since it implies this term was used by all Jews, which is just wrong. Jews from Sepharad use tefillot (orthography may vary) as can be proven both by the shibboleth list in the Encyclopaedia Judaica (article Sephardim) and at least some prayer books. (See also Baladi-rite prayer for the Yemenites.) --2003:F5:FF0B:1400:598:8B4E:2CC7:D029 (talk) 14:56, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Messianic “Siddurim”???

Why does this article include a section on prayerbooks produced for messianics? The vast majority of Jews agree that messianic ‘Judaism’ is a form of evangelical Christianity. I recommend deleting this section. 72.92.229.52 (talk) 14:47, 28 August 2022 (UTC)