Talk:Siege of Chernihiv
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Siege or Battle?
editThe battle turned into a siege by the Russian army, so should this be renamed to "Siege of Chernihiv"? Elijahandskip (talk) 22:44, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Support --85.165.55.6 (talk) 17:22, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- Support Call it siege of Chernihiv, and call it a Ukrainian victory now because the siege has been lifted Wolf359Locutus (talk) 22:42, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Remove Ukrainian claims?
editI think we should just put unknown instead of unsubstantiated Ukrainian claims. If not, we should definitely put both Ukrainian and Russian claims IdkIdc12345 (talk) 21:15, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Ukraine is more trustworthy than Russia, and in some cases, Russia has not made a claim, so it is not possible to list both. I do think we should list claims as long as they are clearly marked as such. NicolinoChess31415926 (talk) 20:52, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Part of Kyiv offensive
editAs the Russian troops had failed to capture Chernihiv and instead opted for a different route to Kiev, bypassing the city, can we consider it part of the kyiv offensive? It is currently not listed on any offensive (kyiv or eastern). RGoes (talk) 22:27, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- I think, just as Sumy isn't considered part of the Kyiv offensice, even though Russian troops from that area advanced on Kyiv, Chernihiv should be considered separate. While forces from the assault on Chernihiv would have gone towards Kyiv if Chernihiv had fallen, the goal of taking Chernihiv, just like Sumy, was more in line with the Northeastern offensive. The Kyiv offensive had the entirely separate objective of removing the Ukrainian government. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 20:46, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Still ongoing?
editIs this still ongoing? The File:2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.svg suggests otherwise. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 10:49, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- I think the best info says Ukraine has retaken all of Chernihiv oblast, but I haven't found any sources quite as reliable enough yet. It may be a couple days before its confirmed. Wolf359Locutus (talk) 16:38, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Need a citation for that- i've seen reports that the Ukrainians secured the borders of Sumy oblast but combat is still ongoing in parts of Chernihiv according to the UKR general staff so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Yokohama1989 (talk) 22:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- ISW has this to say https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1510733262108311553?s=20&t=FYsooURqSnkt6l6PmH5tPw
- "The disorderly nature of the withdrawal, which apparently left numerous individual #Russian soldiers and possibly small pockets of Russian troops behind, makes precise assessments of the situation throughout #Kyiv and #Chernihiv Oblasts impossible at this time."
- https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1511071633578110982/photo/4 Their map has Northern Chernihiv under Russian control currently. Yokohama1989 (talk) 22:53, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Need a citation for that- i've seen reports that the Ukrainians secured the borders of Sumy oblast but combat is still ongoing in parts of Chernihiv according to the UKR general staff so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Yokohama1989 (talk) 22:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
The city of Chernihiv is not as big as Chernihiv oblast; actually no were near as big.... This Wikipedia article is about the city, not the province (=Oblast) Chernihiv. The ISW map of yesterday shows in my interpretation of it that there were yesterday Russian soldiers in Chernihiv oblast, not in Chernihiv city. Anyhow the Chernihiv oblast governor stated yesterday that those are gone too now (see this reference in the article). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 14:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- I understand that article is about the city of Chernihiv rather than the oblast, but Yahidne for example is located on highway M01 which is south of Chernihiv. If the ukrainian military only recently fully resecured the road links between Chernihiv and Kyiv wouldn't that imply that Russian forces are at least located near Chernihiv, especially with the Russian "frontline" map in Chernihiv- made by ISW, being only a few kilometers north of the city itself?
- With confirmation from the oblast governor I think it is appropriate to say that the siege of Chernihiv has ended though. Yokohama1989 (talk) 16:41, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Wrong translation
edit'Attacks continued as the Russian Air Force dropped heavy bombs on residential buildings intended for fortifications.[42]' the title of the Ukrainian source [42] should be translated as 'Attacks continued as the Russian Air Force dropped heavy bombs intended for fortifications on residential buildings .[42]' meaning the bombs were bunker busters or something alike, not 'residential buildings were intended for fortification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.94.223.212 (talk) 21:47, 31 May 2022 (UTC)