Talk:Siegfried Lederer's escape from Auschwitz

Latest comment: 2 years ago by Serial Number 54129 in topic Requested move 5 April 2022
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The sentence Because of his Catholic faith and infatuation with Renée Neumann, a Jewish prisoner, Pestek opposed the Holocaust jarred when I read it. Can we really know that those were the two primary reasons for his opposition? Perhaps he was simply a person with a conscience, with the strength of mind and courage to act on it. His faith and his love live may well have been related, but in my experience a person's core virtues are much deeper.

I propose deleting the sentence from the lead altogether. Onceinawhile (talk) 16:51, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Echoing Ceoil who suggested something similar; I reverted because the current version has an established consensus, but, of course, that can change if another consensus is reached.
FWIW, I find Onceinawhile's argument not wholly unconvincing. ——Serial 16:55, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, read the article almost from top to bottom yesterday, and this was one of my few gripes. It reads funny and seems an implausible reach. Ceoil (talk) 17:02, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
If you remove that, you remove the only explanation. SarahSV (talk) 20:07, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
I don't think we normally explain why people oppose crimes against humanity.
I would be happy to turn it around, making an indirect connection without purporting to know the primary motivators: Pestek opposed the Holocaust; he was a devout Catholic and was infatuated with Renée Neumann, a Jewish prisoner.
Onceinawhile (talk) 22:51, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
We do normally explain if the person was a member of the SS. SarahSV (talk) 22:53, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
Support OIAW's suggestion, and mention of Pestek being an SS member is already in the preceding sentence (that is, the first). ——Serial 11:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 5 April 2022

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Procedural close; filer indef blocked for page move disruption. No prejudice against any editor in good standing renominating the move request, albeit it may feel as if it was about to start snowing in here. (non-admin closure) SN54129 17:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)Reply



Siegfried Lederer's escape from AuschwitzEscape of Siegfried Lederer from Auschwitz – I think it is more "formal" name for accounting an escape of a person. Utkarsh555 01:39, 5 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

Strong oppose Both seem equally formal to me, but one is more concise. In general, we should prefer rearrangements to extra words like "of"; extra words make writing harder to follow, because they physically separate logically related concepts on the page. (Of course, if extra words add more precision, then we should prefer the more precise alternative. Such is not the case here.) The title is of limited length, so any damage done is minimal, but that's no reason to actively substitute a lesser alternative. Bernanke's Crossbow (talk) 02:48, 5 April 2022 (UTC)Reply
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