Talk:Silent Hill 2

External Links

The MusicBrainz link is wrong. This is the right link, http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=99106 I can't seem to get it to work with the way it is formatted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scattergories (talk • contribs) 16:16, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced

Hi, everybody. I'm putting this whole section here until some reliable sources can be found for it. Kaguya-chan (talk) 21:31, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

"Silent Hill 3 contains several references to the previous game, unlocked if a memory card with a Silent Hill 2 save is being used. In one of these scenes, Heather (the protagonist) discovers something lodged in a toilet, similar to James' discovery. While James can reach in and fish it out, Heather ultimately refuses, turns to the camera, and wonders what sort of person would actually do that. The same save data will also create a poster with Maria on it in the Heaven's Night bar that Heather will notice if she enters it. Another reference is when Heather examines the mail box at her apartment building and says there are no letters from a dead wife (similar to James' incident). The last one is on the rooftop of Brookhaven Hospital. Examining the rear fence prompts Heather to say it is secure and won't fall over, whereas in Silent Hill 2, James is flung at the fence by Pyramid Head and it falls over, James falling over the edge with it. The UFO ending for Silent Hill 3 also features James with Harry Mason (the protagonist of Silent Hill) after his abduction following the Silent Hill 2 UFO ending."

Well, I've seen everything that's described, so can confirm it. Since it's a linkable source you require, however, what about walkthroughs?

Listener Sheogorath (talk) 07:48, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Film

Does anyone know if the film Silent Hill 2 is going to be about the game and not a direct sequel to Silent Hill the film? Because this seems to suggest a direct sequel, especially with the lines "the film will be set 'years later' with the main character being 'much older'". Anyhow, my point is that if the film Silent Hill 2 is not about the game Silent Hill 2, then it is misleading to have a section about the film which is not based on it. (Oh, how confusing...) Kaguya-chan (talk) 21:42, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Silent Hill 2/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MASEM (t) 21:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Nothing a showstopper and all can be fixed, primarily in the language.

Lead

• 3rd paragraph presumes knowledge of the 1st game. Start from the assumption of a reader that's never played it, though certainly noting its similarity to the first game is fine.
• On the "Top 25/50" list mentions, I would at least include the publication date of those lists. A 2001 game appearing on a 2003 Best list is not a major accomplishment, a 2001 game appearing on a 2009 or 2010 list is. Same here in the reception

Gameplay

• Start with the game's genre or objective. Starting off by saying it's a third-person game doesn't set the stage. I've not played the game but I know it's value to the community as one of the primary horror genre games, so this should be something set in that first sentence.
• Similarly, some of the statements are worded presuming knowledge of other games. The sentence There is also no mini-map, and consequently, maps have to be checked through a separate function. - is a minimap "expected" to be there for these types of games? Instead, the sentence along with the previous one could be written There is no HUD in Silent Hill 2; to check their health, location, and equipment, the player enters the pause-game menu to review their status. or something like that.
• It is still fair to bring in similarities from the first game, just don't assume knowledge of them.

Story

• Not sure if you need a separate section for each of these elements. If anything, I would at least combine setting and characters, but even then that could be prefaced as a paragraph before the plot without a new section. The Born from a Wish section is fine as standalone

Development

• Be aware that if you take this to FA, the collapsed soundtrack will not fly. Consider if there is anything to support the soundtrack as a standalone article - not necessary to pass this as GA, but in the future will be a problem.

Reception

• There's some disorganized thoughts here, and just looking at the review scores and the like, there seems to be a lot being said without saying it. Consider this: look for general themes of what reviewers liked and disliked from the original PS2 version, appending on what agrees with them from the Xbox and PC version, but focus that section on the game, as released, as that's the one that sold 1 million copies and is on the best-of lists. Did they like the story? the characters? Did they find faults with the gameplay? Try to make some generalized statements supported by reviews and review quotes. Start or end the section with a few overall comments on the game ( like the first Gamespot quote) Then, in a separate paragraph, address the ports - in this case that the Xbox port seemed on part while the PC port was poor; this last part is important since I can tell just by looking at the scores that something failed on the PC port and I would want to know why.

References

• I believe there are some references that are lacking dates (not accessdates) that can be at least narrowed to a year, if not month and day.

All of this is fixable within the scope of a GAN, so if you go ahead and make some of these fixes, let me know and I'll review again, but presently I'll leave this on hold. --MASEM (t) 21:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Per [1] these changes, the prose has been significantly improved, and this article now passes for a GA. Good job! --MASEM (t) 15:23, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Legacy

When this inevitably goes up for FA, this section is probably going to have to go as just being plot-related trivia. The way I see it, it should either be trimmed and worked into the existing sections or perhaps rewritted to reflect other ways it affected the series (say, how other games reused the SH2 monsters in various forms.) --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 17:39, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Suggested sources

For "Reception":

• [2]. Hula Hup (talk) 20:55, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
• [3]. Hula Hup (talk) 17:34, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
• [4], [5]. Hula Hup (talk) 09:29, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
• [6]. Hula Hup (talk) 19:24, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
• On the dog ending (No 50): [7]. Hula Hup (talk) 19:34, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
• [8]. Hula Hup (talk) 19:02, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

For "Development":

• [9]. Hula Hup (talk) 02:32, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Here's what apparently went wrong with HD - "We got all the source code that Konami had on file -- which it turns out wasn't the final release version of the games! D'oh!" --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 00:37, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Replacement ref - 1UP archive not working? --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 08:00, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

• On the CG: [10]. Hula Hup (talk) 22:43, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Image resolution

hey, why is the resolution on all of the photos like 50 x 50? can't somebody upload higher resolution photos? this is embarrassing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.15.106.199 (talk) 01:39, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi! Unfortunately, it's part of this website's policy to have low resolution for fair-use images. Sorry about that. Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 21:56, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

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New information

Art designer Masahiro Ito has tweeted out a lot of interesting BTS tidbits that may be pertinent to the article, if anyone wants to add any of it. I already added some of it to the Pyramid Head article. DarkKnight2149 09:25, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

That's really exciting news! Thank you for letting us know! Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 19:02, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Merger with the Silent Hill HD Collection

Hi all. I'd like to propose a merger for the Silent Hill HD Collection into this one and Silent Hill 3. I believe that, since the HD collection is really just a port of SH2 and SH3, albeit a... contentious one, that it can be easily merged without losing any relevant information. Thoughts? Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 23:31, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Oppose. The Silent Hill HD Collection was pretty notable for being a bastardized version of the two games, and there's a fair bit of development info that exists for why (such as voice acting disputes). - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 03:58, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

I've decided to withdraw this proposal, because I've had a look around the interwebs and there is far more out there than I remember there being. Thank you for your thoughts. Best wishes, Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 12:39, 19 October 2019 (UTC)