Talk:Silphidae

Visuals

Great work overall guys, but I think the page would look a lot better if you added a picture or two more for the reader. I liked the detail you guys went through to talk about different species of this family. It would also be a little easier to follow in the development section if you made subcategories for each stage of development. For example, you could have a small block of text describing everything involving development and characteristics of eggs, then make another one for larvae, etc. But good job overall!Bkret (talk) 18:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Aesthetic

You might want to add a few more pictures of the beetle throughout the page to make it more pleasing to the eye. Also if you want you might want to make the Genus species section into a table to group the descriptions together. It helps organize the material better. Another quick comment, I think that one of the burying beetles actually digs the soil underneath a corpse which makes the body sink. You might want to add this to your page because its an ironic twist to the name, since it's not actually burying anything. Bbllr3431 (talk) 23:30 15, April 2009 (UTC)

Typos

Within the first paragraph in the second to last sentence "Silphiade are found throughout the world.", i believe you meant "Silphidae" inste9ad of "Silphiade". Also, within the last paragraph in the second sentence "will feed on dipteraln eggs,", you could either put "dipteran" or "diptera", but "dipteraln" doesn't make sense.

Lflores0812 (talk) 23:15, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Fix #1

Thank you, the typos are fixed now. Penn195 (talk) 04:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow

Wow. This article contained a lot of information! Great job! The only thing I found was that the introduction seemed a bit choppy. Maybe fix it so that it flows a little nicer. I liked how you included the subfamilies as well as listed numerous species. One suggestion is maybe go in depth with one or two important species of Silphidae. I really enjoyed how you included new sections in your article such as the relationship and evolution section. Lastly, I would just like to comment on the number of sources you had. This seems there are not enough sources to match the amount of information you gave. Maybe get a few more to get multiple views on your insect. Again, this article was very educational and your effort is greatly appreciated.Msrubar (talk) 02:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)Msrubar

Minor edit

Your article is great. The only suggestion I would make is to put your references directly after the punctuation. Vekrull (talk) 11:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I enjoyed your article overall! The only thing you need to change is a typo error in the section Relationships, under With Other Organisms, "with" is misspelled in the sentence "Nicrophoridae have a mutual relationship with phoretic mites". Also in the section Behavior and Ecology under Defense, The sentence " The back of the elytra are bright blue and when they are exposed it makes the beetle look much larger" could be reworded to " The back of the elytra are bright blue and when exposed appear to make the beetle look much larger".Ashtyndenise (talk) 16:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Just a few things

Just a few things. First, under Taxonomy and Etymology, "usually associated with carrion, fungi and dung" is missing a comma after fungi. Secondly, after looking at the individual species (which were marvelously done by the way) I noticed that when you used the word pronotum, you link some of them and not others. Either link all of them, or preferably link just the first one that is used. Lastly, a slight typo under Relationships with Other Organisms. Members from the Silphidae family are known to have a mutual relationship with other organisms. I believe it is supposed to be a mutalistic relationship. Rest of the article seems to be pristine! Be very proud of this one!Jkski23 (talk) 15:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Minor Changes

The article was really good; it was very informative and interesting. I had just a few things I noticed that could be changed. First, under Taxonomy and Etymology, the sentence "Described as mortal, but lacking soul." is a fragment. Also, you described quite a few species, and mentioned two subfamilies Nicrophorinae and Silphinae. I thought it might be helpful to show which species belonged to which subfamily; it would give more insight into the behavior of each individual species. (Mereharton (talk) 15:33, 11 April 2009 (UTC))

Just a few things I noticed were that you have links to pages that don't exist. Also this sentence under the second section may need reworded. "The evolutionary change is thought to be a result due to the changes in habitat over time." Using both result and due to seems redundant. These are small things though, overall a very well written page! I feel like I learned a lot about Silphidae. RodeoAggie (talk) 00:49, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Just a few things

Overwintering means they are inactive during the winter then the adult emerges from the pupal stage during the summer months. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalyseg (talk • contribs) 16:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Overall I like the article but there are just 2 small things I would change. #1 is I would link organic in the opening paragraph. #2, in the section "Diversity and Distribution" I would either number or bullet the different species to make them jump out at you more. Other than that I think all other errors were found. Great Job Hopps12714 (talk 14:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Most of the typos have been taken care of! Thanks for reading!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmedina21 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Intro...

First, Great job! This page was very educational and had a TON of information! The advice that I have is, the Introduction seems to just be repeating the other information in the rest of the paper...so maybe you could find a different way to say it in the intro or in the other paragraphs. Overall, wonderful job and I enjoyed reading your page! (Melissasimons (talk) 20:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC))

I really like the uniqueness of this article. There is a lot of interesting information that many groups did not cover. I like how you covered the relationships of Silphidae with humans and other animals. It was also interesting to read information on the defense mechanisms, locomotion, and competition that Silphidae has.

It was nice to see a group actually describe the location and physical appearance of some of the species instead of just listing them out. However, you mentioned that there were 46 different species and only described a certain few. Was there any signifiance to the ones you described?

Overall, this was a very informative article and I liked the creativity! Good Job!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hpurviance (talk • contribs) 04:37, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Nice Creativity!

I really like the uniqueness of this article. There is a lot of interesting information that many groups did not cover. I like how you covered the relationships of Silphidae with humans and other animals, and I liked how you talked about their defense mechanisms, competition, and locomotion.

I also like how you described the location and physical appearance of some of the species instead of just listing them out. However, you mentioned that there were 46 different species and only described a certain few. Was there any signifiance to the ones you described?

Overall, this was a very informative article and I liked the creativity! Good Job!! i.love.salsa2010 (talk) 04:48, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Your article is comprehensive and extremely informative. I especially liked the section on evolution that you added, I'm sure not many groups thought to add a section like that. Your section on diversity and distribution is great. You can really tell that you put in a lot of effort in researching all of the major species of sliphids. The only thing i would suggest is adding a few more pictures of some of the other beetles.--Ctamez (talk) 01:46, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Development

I believe that this is a great article, yet for a person not familiar with any bug info, the technical writing is a bit much. Also you should go into detail explaining the stages and how they progress from one another, so that it is just a bit clearer. Yet overall it was good. Matthewdrew (talk) 15:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with your comment about the development section of this page. The most important information in forensic entomology regarding insects is the development and life cycle of insects. Distinguishing between the each transformation the insect makes in its life cycle along with specific times would be good. Well written page! rmal21 (talk) 15:29, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I really like the detail put into this whole article, especially how you briefly described a few specific species. I'm curious as to why you chose only those species out of the 46 in the family. Were these the ones with the most forensic importance? Also, some pictures for each species would look great, and like one person suggested, putting the information into a table would be beneficial. Well done. Zotkot14 (talk) 21:05, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

General

First off, great article! Just some suggestions to facilitate things like flow, citations, etc:

Link to:

• Subfamily(introduction)

• Parental care(introduction)

• Organic matter(introduction)

• Suggest adding “saprophagous” to describe feeding manner

-(Taxonomy & etymology) “…will bury the food, and themselves, to rear…” may be changed to “…will bury themselves and their food to rear…”

-(Taxonomy & etymology)Your section regarding etymology is unreferenced and the phrase on “sylva” in particular is a little “shady” for lack of a better term. I suggest looking into “silva” (Latin for: “forest”) since it might make more sense.

-(Evolution) You state that flight loss is linked to increased ovogenesis due to decreased food supply. Perhaps another explanation is that the resources that are not spent on flight may be redistributed to egg production. I suggest further scrutinizing that particular article since the abstract does not specifically state that cause.

-(Diversity & distribution) …forty six… may be changed to …46… since its customary not to spell out numbers larger than ten.

-I believe the second word of your sections does not need to be capitalized unless it includes a proper noun (e.g. “Taxonomy and Etymology”, “Diversity and Distribution”, “Behavior and 'Ecology”, “Forensic Research”) --User:aemejia22(talk) 20:50 15 April 2009 (CST)

Links

Overall I think this was a great article and the research is extremely detailed and specifies on both subfamilies which is extremely important. I feel that a few links could be changed that would help the article. When you like cyclic carbon and medico-criminal entomology your telling wikipedians that a wikipedia article does not exist but should be made. However cyclic carbons can be linked to Cyclic Compounds and you can link Medico-criminal entomology to the subfamily medico-legal entomology in the article Forensic Entomology. Here's the link and you can check in the edit page how I did this if you need to Medico-criminal entomology. Lastly it would be nice if you'll had a External Links subtitle that other websites related to Silphidae can be linked to your site.--Jake (talk) 04:25, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Final Edit before Due Date

Thank you all so much for your input. I fixed the general errors and took a look at the other suggestions. I think I fixed everything major. Thank you all for your help! Penn195 (talk) 21:58, 16 April 2009 (UTC) Also, about the "shady" etymology, I think the citation just got lost when we were putting the page up, it is cited now. Thanks! Penn195 (talk) 22:00, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

This was a good, informative article. I like that it starts off straight forward and informative and also includes a picture. If I had to change anything it would be that some of the sections are a lot more extensive and thorough than others. Maybe just try and elaborate on some of the less specific and shorter sections to balance out the article. Brookenikole (talk) 02:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

External links

The current PDF being linked to fails WP:EL. Can those editors arguing over what to call the link please take a read of this policy first? --HighKing (talk) 18:50, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries. The dreaded words have been taken out (at the moment). You can safely move on elsewhere. Mister Flash (talk) 19:04, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Can we simply remove the link as it fails WP:EL? --HighKing (talk) 19:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

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