Talk:Silver Star Mountain (Skamania County, Washington)/GA1

GA Review

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Hi. I'm going to be doing this review. Looking forward to it.

Reviewer: DannyS712 (talk · contribs) 00:09, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Review

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Notes

•  Done “the southwestern corner of the Gifford Pinchot National Forest” stated in the lede and in the first paragraph of the geography section - suggest removal from the lede

• Not sure I follow. Why would it have to be removed from the lead? ceranthor
• I don't think it needs to be repeated, and I think its a minor enough detail that it need not be in the lede --DannyS712 (talk) 01:08, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

•  Request withdrawn Geography section - do we really need to state which source gives each of the 3 values? What about - "sources disagree about its elevation, with values ranging from 4364 to 4382 feet" or - "its elevation is approximately 4370 ft"?

• I've tried that in the past for other volcano/mountain articles, but I think the three values approach is a better method. ceranthor 15:00, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

•  Done “ As a result, runoff has eroded gullies on local slopes and removal of soil.” - what does this mean? - "runoff has increased removal of soil"? - missing a verb I think

• Yes. I'll add the "increased" before "removal". ceranthor 15:00, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

•  Done ecology - "unusually low elevations" - specific source?

• Added. ceranthor 15:00, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

•  Done Geology section - too technical for me to fully understand, tried reading it out load and trying to make sense of what it means, couldn't really

All taken care off --DannyS712 (talk) 23:41, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Done "three discrete lithologic units." - in both lede and geology - can you explain what this means it at least one of those sections? Also, maybe not use it in the lede, to be less technical Changed. ceranthor 13:45, 3 January 2019 (UTC) Now the lede says three units, including without saying what the units are, or how they are measured, etc. Can you clean this up? Now it says he volcano sits over three lithologic units (each with different physical characteristics), including, again not explaining what a "lithologic unit" actually is  Done "probably" - rephrase ("The Eagle Creek formation is the oldest, probably dating to the Oligocene epoch (or the lower Miocene).") - likely, believed to be, something else Changed to likely. ceranthor 13:45, 3 January 2019 (UTC)  Done "The rock" - I thought it was a creek... Clarified at first mention that it's a rock formation. ceranthor 13:45, 3 January 2019 (UTC)  Done "Other exposures from the Eagle Creek formation can be observed in Silver, Bluebird, and Bear creeks, in canyons also lying along the eastern part of the local area." - rephrase Rephrased. ceranthor 13:45, 3 January 2019 (UTC)  Done "intercalate" - what does this mean. English is my native language, and I can't even tell from context Tried to copyedit this. Let me know if it's still unclear; intercalated just means that something is inserted between layers. It comes from the source. ceranthor 13:45, 3 January 2019 (UTC) Can you try to put it in your own words? --DannyS712 (talk) 01:11, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

•  Done "Trail #180E" in human history section - too specific if there is no map included

• This is the name of the trail, with "Indian Pits."

• Yes but I don't think its needed

• I don't follow. If I just said 180, then I would be using a less specific term. That seems silly to me if a more specific name is available. ceranthor 16:52, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

• Then can you make it clear that this is the name of the trail? I didn't understand that at first --DannyS712 (talk) 20:38, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
• Please make it clear that 180E = Indian Pits --DannyS712 (talk) 19:26, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

•  Request withdrawn "Indian Pits" should be in quotes

• Could you clarify why? I don't see why it should be in quotes, though if it's a grammatical error I'm happy to change it. ceranthor 13:26, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
• IMO (as a native english speaker) "Indian Pits" is the name of the trail. Thus, the trail is referred to as the Indian Pits because you are quoting the name...

• Sorry, I still don't understand what you mean. I don't see why the name of the trail should be put in quotes. ceranthor 16:52, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

•  Done "The September 1902..." entire paragraph - lots of trivia details IMO - do we need to know that, inter alia, there was once a radio receiver there

• A fair point. I think the radio receiver is definitely trivia, though I think the rest about fires is interesting local history, and it serves as preface to the fire lookout on Silver Star. ceranthor 13:26, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

• It may be interesting, but can we shorten it a bit?

• It's only a paragraph - what do you specifically suggest cutting out to make it shorter? ceranthor 16:52, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

• Then nevermind

•  Done Similar issue with the recreation section - I don't think we need to know that there are no restrooms at the trailhead, etc

All taken care of --DannyS712 (talk) 23:42, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

I figure it would be useful for any travelers who peruse the Wikipedia article to see if there are bathrooms or anything like that. ceranthor 13:26, 3 January 2019 (UTC) See WP:NOTTRAVEL - it would be useful, but it should not be included just because it would be useful --DannyS712 (talk) 01:19, 4 January 2019 (UTC) Cut out the restroom info. ceranthor 16:52, 4 January 2019 (UTC) There is still a lot of unneeded material, specifically most of the "recreation" section We don't need to include a verbal map of the trails. We could include a photo of one, but Silver Star Mountain can be accessed from State Route 503 by traveling 4 miles (6.4 km) on the rough, rutted Forest Road 4109 to the trailhead.[26] There is no entry fee; the area is lightly used for hiking.[26] From the trailhead, visitors can access Silver Star Trail #180 and the Silver Star Summit #180D path, which meets the nearby Ed's Trail #180A, Chinook Trail #180B, Sturgeon Rock Trail #180C, and Indian Pits Trail #180E.[26] The Silver Star trail runs 5 miles (8.0 km) to an old roadbed located west of Silver Star Mountain, while the Silver Star Summit Trail #180D, 0.25 miles (0.40 km), reaches the summit of Silver Star Mountain. Indian Pits Trail and Pyramid Rock Trail #180F reach the trailhead at the Washington State Department of Natural Resources Road W-1200, branching off the Silver Star Trail to the south of Silver Star Mountain. is just too much. @DannyS712: I tried to cut this down more. What do you think of it now? ceranthor 21:52, 5 January 2019 (UTC) @Ceranthor: Its still a lot. Unless you have a photo that we can use, I don't think any of this needs to be used --DannyS712 (talk) 21:54, 5 January 2019 (UTC) @DannyS712: Could you clarify your specific objection to the remaining material? I do agree that what I removed was like a verbal map, but what's left IMO is just the trails and accessibility information about the Silver Star Mountain recreation areas. If it's at all useful, I tend to write recreation sections for volcano articles based on the model of volcano FAs like Mount St. Helens. ceranthor 16:51, 6 January 2019 (UTC) @Ceranthor: Mt St Helens has no information about access, like Silver Star Mountain can be accessed from State Route 503 by traveling 4 miles (6.4 km) on the rough, rutted Forest Road 4109 to the trailhead. It also doesn't have lots of trails specified, which this one does. We don't need Indian Pits Trail #180E and Pyramid Rock Trail #180F reach the trailhead at the Washington State Department of Natural Resources Road W-1200, etc --DannyS712 (talk) 17:01, 6 January 2019 (UTC) @DannyS712: Did some more cutting down. Do you want me to cut out anything else in recreation? ceranthor 23:14, 6 January 2019 (UTC) @Ceranthor: I think its okay now, in terms of length, but given how short each of the 3 paragraphs is, can you combine them into 1 or 2? --DannyS712 (talk) 23:18, 6 January 2019 (UTC) @DannyS712: Just did that now. ceranthor 23:38, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

• Please note here when you have fixed the issues noted above, and once I confirm that I will strike them. Please do not just remove them yourself. --DannyS712 (talk) 03:40, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

• Started responding to some of these. Will aim to get to all of them by EOD. ceranthor 15:00, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

• Didn't get to the rest today. Will finish tomorrow! ceranthor 03:33, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712: Should all be addressed or replied to now. ceranthor 13:46, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712: Think I've addressed the lithologic unit, recreation, and trail name concerns. ceranthor 14:58, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ceranthor: See updated notes above --DannyS712 (talk) 19:30, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712: Anything else above that I might have missed? Thanks for your timely replies throughout this process so far. ceranthor 00:22, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ceranthor: See the notes above that are not marked as done, including "the SW corner..." (first note), trail 180E, etc --DannyS712 (talk) 00:23, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712: Got the SW corner and 180E notes I think. I still don't think it makes sense to put quotations around the Indian Pits name; it's just the name of the trail, not a quotation. ceranthor 01:45, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ceranthor: okay. But, A number of ditches near the mountain known as the Indian Pits can be seen on one of the trails known as the Indian Pits Trail #180E and also occur in other parts of the Columbia River Gorge area. this is even more confusing that it was previously. Are the indian pits the ditches, the mountain, or the trails? Can you rephrase this? --DannyS712 (talk) 03:06, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712: Think I fixed this. ceranthor 13:14, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

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