Talk:Simon Unwin

Edit request – Wikipedia entry for SIMON UNWIN

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 –  Spintendo  13:13, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Unwin continues to be Emeritus Professor of Architecture at the University of Dundee.

Unwin does currently reside in Cardiff. He also continues to teach at the Welsh School of Architecture.

In addition to the six books mentioned Unwin has recently begun publishing a series of Analysing Architecture Notebooks. The first three titles of this series are:

Metaphor: an exploration of the metaphorical dimensions and potential of architecture Curve: possibilities and problems with deviating from the straight in architecture Children as Place-Makers: the innate architect in all of us

Here is a link to the publishers' page relating to the series: https://www.routledge.com/Analysing-Architecture-Notebooks/book-series/AAN

Lonydail (talk) 12:59, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

In response to:

'The COI editor is also asked to please disclose the nature of their COI, most importantly, whether or not they are being paid to suggest these edits, and if so, by whom. This disclosure should ideally be made on the talk page of the article in question. Regards, Spintendo 13:18, 19 June 2019 (UTC)'

The nature of the COI is that I am the subject of this page. I am not being paid to suggest these edits. Regards,

Lonydail (talk) 13:26, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Reply 19-JUN-2019

  Edit request partially implemented  

• Thank you for providing the COI information, it's much appreciated.

1. Y The newer publications were added.
2. N The claim involving the position of emeritus professor at the University of Dundee was not added. This claim should contain a reference to the University of Dundee's website where this information is described. As they are the employer, they are best positioned to offer verification of this claim. The subject is not listed at the University of Dundee's Directory Page of Emeritus Professors.
3. N The Welsh School of Architecture (WSA) describes the subject as a member of an "External editorial board" and lists the subject as Simon Unwin (Emeritus Professor, Dundee School of Architecture). However, this description of the subject as an emeritus professor at Dundee is listed on WSA's website, which is not the Dundee School of Architecture. The link placed in the subject's name at the WSA site links to the subject's own website. Thus, the claim involving the subject "continuing to teach at" the WSA was not added, since verification of the claim in the edit request proposal was not provided.

Regards,  Spintendo  14:38, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Notes

Edit request

In response to:

Red X The claim involving the position of emeritus professor at the University of Dundee was not added. This claim should contain a reference to the University of Dundee's website where this information is described. As they are the employer, they are best positioned to offer verification of this claim. The subject is not listed at the University of Dundee's Directory Page of Emeritus Professors. (from Spintendo)

The University's list of Emeritus Professors ends in 2007. I was appointed in 2009. I have my letter of appointment here. Can I send you a scan?

Lonydail (talk) 22:24, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

File:UNWIN prof emeritus letter.jpeg

letter supporting claim to be Prof Emeritus

edit request

COI I am the subject of this page. I am not being paid to suggest edits. A previous editor - Spintendo - has requested supplying ISBNs for some of the books listed.

Here they are, in the suggested format:

Unwin, Simon (2000). An Architecture Notebook: Wall. ISBN 9780415228735 Unwin, Simon (2007). Doorway. ISBN 9780415458801 Unwin, Simon (2012). Exercises in Architecture: Learning to Think as an Architect. ISBN 9780415619080 Unwin, Simon (fourth edition, 2014). Analysing Architecture. ISBN 9780415719179 Unwin, Simon (2015; first published in 2010 as Twenty Buildings Every Architect Should Understand). Twenty-Five Buildings Every Architect Should Understand. ISBN 9781138781047 Unwin, Simon (2016). The Ten Most Influential Buildings in History: Architecture's Archetypes. ISBN 9781138898462

Another three books are already listed in this format (Children as Place-Makers; Curve; Metaphor) and should be retained in the entry.

Three other questions:

1. As previously requested, I would quite like to be identified as 'Emeritus Professor at the University of Dundee' (which I am). This was previously rejected. But I would like to explain that this is an honorary award rather than an established post and thus would not necessarily be mentioned on the University site. The list of Emeritus Professors that is on that site seems to have ceased to have been updated in 2007. I was awarded Emeritus when I retired in 2009. I can supply a scan of the letter from the University offering me this award. Please advise on how I might supply this proof of claim.

2. Is it open to the subject of a Wikipedia entry to update their own biographical details? I was, for example, a member of the government appointed Historic Buildings Council for Wales between 1992 and 2003. See: http://www.assembly.wales/Laid%20Documents/Historic%20Buildings%20Council%20for%20Wales%2046th%20Annual%20Report%202001-2002%20-%20LD1681-13112002-24904/bus-GUIDE-N0000000000000000000000000004174-English.pdf

3. There is a warning at the top of the site suggesting that it is an 'orphan'. But I am aware of other pages that do list some of my publications (but without live links back to my entry); and the Welsh School of Architecture entry lists me (with a link) under Notable People and Alumni. How can I help rectify this 'orphan' situation.

Lonydail (talk) 08:37, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Reply 20-JUN-2019

1. Thank you for providing the ISBN's.
2. With regards to the label of emeritus professor, please email your document to info-en-q@wikimedia.org along with a short explanation of what you are sending. This explanation should state that the document you are sending is to verify a claim that you are requesting to be added to your article, and that no other such verifications for that particular claim exist. Be sure to state the name of the article.
3. You are strongly urged not to edit your own article.
4. You cannot rectify the orphan label but I will look into it.
5. When copying and pasting the text of other editors, please be sure to use the {{tq2}} template as shown below:

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Regards,  Spintendo  09:50, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Spintendo Please do not direct subjects of articles to send information to verify content to OTRS. That by definition is not verifiable if it is not reported in a reliable source and available to readers (paywall, or free doesn't matter). Content of OTRS emails are not verifiable outside of identity verification, which this does not fall under. Praxidicae (talk) 11:00, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

My apologies, I believed because it was a label he was using for himself, that it was an issue of identity. Regards,  Spintendo  18:45, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

response to Spintendo

Many thanks for the advice. Much appreciated. As advised I have sent the proof of claim to the suggested email address. Regards, Lonydail (talk) 10:33, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

I have found a published source for the emeritus title and have added it to the article. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:56, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

The source for this claim is an interview with an architect who had read the subject's book, the architect Liza Raju Subhadra who's Ramesh House is featured in the subject's book, where the subject labeled himself as "emeritus professor Simon Unwin". The school itself, which publishes information on Emeritus Principals and Professors through the Senate section of the University's Academic and Corporate Governance portal, does not list the subject. That portal appears to be updated through 2019. Until a better source for this is found, I'm attaching the {{better source}} inline template to this claim. Regards,  Spintendo  18:45, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

We generally trust reputable newspapers to do fact checking, but I've added an additional source in any case. Incidentally, while it cannot be used as a source, the e-mail received by OTRS confirms that he is an emeritus professor at Dundee. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:04, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for that, I've actually addressed that other reference earlier up in the request:

The Welsh School of Architecture (WSA) describes the subject as a member of an "External editorial board" and lists the subject as Simon Unwin (Emeritus Professor, Dundee School of Architecture). However, this description of the subject as an emeritus professor at Dundee is listed on WSA's website, which is not the Dundee School of Architecture. The link placed in the subject's name at the WSA site links to the subject's own website. —Spintendo 14:38, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

But since we cannot use this document you've mentioned I guess we'll just have to take your word for it. Regards,  Spintendo  19:14, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

It's not necessary to have a primary source - a secondary sources is fine. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:31, 20 June 2019 (UTC)