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Number of destinations
The article Singapore Airlines Cargo is about the airline, not the general cargo services offered by Singapore Airlines.
The number of destinations served by Singapore Airlines Cargo are 36 cities in 18 countries. This is evident by the timetables released by the airline itself. The six timetables are available here [1] This means that the airline touches down in only 36 cities in 18 countries. Any figures which quote anything higher than what is evident in the airline-published timetables is pure marketing, nothing more, and it has no place in an encyclopaedia, as it presents a picture on the company which is not correct
The same goes for the number of aircraft. The airline has 14 aircraft. Any additional aircraft are operated by Singapore Airlines and do not belong in this article, which as I have said above, is about the cargo airline, not general cargo services. --Russavia 17:08, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
- You appear to have a critical problem understanding how this airline (or just about any cargo airline, I suppose) works. It operates 14 freighter aircraft, as well as manages all cargo holds in the entire passenger fleet of Singapore Airlines. This is repeated in every source I cite, and is further supported by the timetables you cite, so I am beginning to wonder just what kind of understanding you have when reading those tables. Attempting to draw a distinction between all-cargo and passenger-cargo operations is unsourced, unverified, and simply erronous. By removing all Southeast Asian destinations, for example, are you correct in claiming Singapore Airlines Cargo does not offer freight services to these destinations? I would be extremely amused if you think this is true.--Huaiwei 17:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
- The article is about SIA Cargo (the airline) not SIA Cargo (the product). SIA Cargo (the airline) operates its aircraft to 36 destinations in 18 countries. SIA Cargo (the airline) has only 14 aircraft in its fleet. Now, SIA Cargo (the product) has access to the 14 aircraft of SIA Cargo (the airline) and all of the aircraft in the SIA fleet. SIA Cargo (the product) can offer services to 36 destinations in 18 countries on SIA Cargo (the airline) aircraft, in addition to being able to offer services to all 70+ SIA passenger destinations. One needs to distinguish between the two - SIA Cargo (the airline) and SIA Cargo (the product) and work around the marketing BS to get the true picture. I even attempted to make this distinction in one edit, which you duly reverted. --Russavia 18:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with the other editors that this article is about the airline not the product. As we don't list destinations etc. for codeshare flights, this article should not include details for cargo on Singapore Airlines. Huaiwei, please do not revert back the article as there is consensus amongst all other editors that this is what the article should represent. Please discuss here before reverting. Thanks. → AA (talk • contribs) — 12:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- I believe this has been discussed extensive over multiple pages now, and as far as I can see, the supposed "concensus" is more due to misinformed opinions than a true bias-free factual analysis of issues at hand. If I may repeat yet again, a cargo subsidary which manages the cargo holds of its parent airline's passenger aircraft is very different from a code-share agreement, and should not be simply treated similarly for no better reason than supposed "wikipedia conventions". The convention as I see was to exclude codeshares, which I can see the logic in, but there has never been a direct dicussion on the issue of cargo subsidiaries. I find it ridiculous that editors here should attempt to distinguish betwen an "airline" and its "product". An airline's primary purpose is to move people and/or goods from point A to point B. If an airline article cannot talk about its primary purpose, than kindly explain just what should an airline article discuss about?--Huaiwei 12:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hi Huaiwei, I've started this discussion over at the Airlines discussion page. Let's see if we can reach a consensus over there. Thanks. → AA (talk • contribs) — 12:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- No problem, and many thanks for the initiative. Hope the discussion there will remain objective and open-minded.--Huaiwei 12:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hi Huaiwei, I've started this discussion over at the Airlines discussion page. Let's see if we can reach a consensus over there. Thanks. → AA (talk • contribs) — 12:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- I believe this has been discussed extensive over multiple pages now, and as far as I can see, the supposed "concensus" is more due to misinformed opinions than a true bias-free factual analysis of issues at hand. If I may repeat yet again, a cargo subsidary which manages the cargo holds of its parent airline's passenger aircraft is very different from a code-share agreement, and should not be simply treated similarly for no better reason than supposed "wikipedia conventions". The convention as I see was to exclude codeshares, which I can see the logic in, but there has never been a direct dicussion on the issue of cargo subsidiaries. I find it ridiculous that editors here should attempt to distinguish betwen an "airline" and its "product". An airline's primary purpose is to move people and/or goods from point A to point B. If an airline article cannot talk about its primary purpose, than kindly explain just what should an airline article discuss about?--Huaiwei 12:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with the other editors that this article is about the airline not the product. As we don't list destinations etc. for codeshare flights, this article should not include details for cargo on Singapore Airlines. Huaiwei, please do not revert back the article as there is consensus amongst all other editors that this is what the article should represent. Please discuss here before reverting. Thanks. → AA (talk • contribs) — 12:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- The article is about SIA Cargo (the airline) not SIA Cargo (the product). SIA Cargo (the airline) operates its aircraft to 36 destinations in 18 countries. SIA Cargo (the airline) has only 14 aircraft in its fleet. Now, SIA Cargo (the product) has access to the 14 aircraft of SIA Cargo (the airline) and all of the aircraft in the SIA fleet. SIA Cargo (the product) can offer services to 36 destinations in 18 countries on SIA Cargo (the airline) aircraft, in addition to being able to offer services to all 70+ SIA passenger destinations. One needs to distinguish between the two - SIA Cargo (the airline) and SIA Cargo (the product) and work around the marketing BS to get the true picture. I even attempted to make this distinction in one edit, which you duly reverted. --Russavia 18:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
References
While the article has a lot of references, they are all press releases. A few from outside sources would improve the articles quality. Vegaswikian 22:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Picture of SQ Cargo aircraft in new livery?
Hi,
If someone has a picture of a SQ Cargo aircraft in the revised livery, please can we use this? All the current images have the old livery.
Thanks
--Boeing747-412 (talk) 12:34, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, just uploaded a photo. Fresh off the POS camera. Deekay744 (talk) 16:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)