Talk:Single-bamboo drifting

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 09:19, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that the Miao art of balancing on a bamboo log has been described as "ballet on the water"? Source: "To balance on a single piece of bamboo on the water requires exceptional balance. So does ballet. Combine these two athletic arts and you have "ballet on the water"" "Dancing on Water: The Chinese Art of Bamboo Drifting". Yahoo! News. 29 March 2018. Retrieved 26 February 2022
  • Reviewed: Beeswing (video game)
  • Comment: This was a living nightmare to source, most articles on the subject are rightfully deemed dubious as propaganda outlets. Such a shame too, as this is a really fascinating thing to have more insight on. I would understand if this fails due to the sources used, but as none of it is particularly political and I tried to be as neutral as I could and used attribution regarding the history of the craft, and thus it should be fine. Fingers crossed. Thank you in advance to the reviewer for taking the time to read my submission!

Moved to mainspace by Ornithoptera (talk). Self-nominated at 22:39, 26 February 2022 (UTC).

• @Ornithoptera: Long enough, new enough, not seeing any issues with copyright, QPQ done, hook is properly formatted and interesting
• Every paragraph is sourced (although like you say the sources could be better, I'm not really sure what some of these sources are; "Nspirement"'s About Page seems blank for me and it seems like a lot of them are commenting more on viral videos versus the practice in general). I'm seeing there definitely are sources out there though, but a lot of them are in Chinese and paywalled which makes them difficult to use. But like, even among the sources you have, something like Yujuan et al I think is better for saying its origins are in the Chishui River basin of Guizhou province than Men's Journal writing something short to accompany a viral video?
• As for the specific hook, it's hooky and short enough but I'm not quite sure the source actually says that? The Great Big Story video has Kang Xiaobing explaining that "ballet on the water" is one specific event We started a new performance called 'ballet on the water', which is quite unique. Ballet on the water requires a boy and a girl to collaborate on a single piece of bamboo. So at least for the practitioners (in English translation) "ballet on the water" isn't the art of single bamboo drifting in general, just one particular performance style? Although whoever wrote the short summary of the video for Yahoo does seem to call it that. I'm also seeing Chen et al doi:10.1080/01916599.2013.804663 writing Over time, this became a unique skill of northern Guizhou residents, and is referred to as 'water ballet' (Lee, 2012). and Xie, 2019 doi:10.2991/jahp-19.2019.147 writing Once ["single bamboo drift"] was unveiled, it quickly enjoyed the reputation of "water ballet" and attracted many tourists in China and from foreign countries. So I guess the practice as a whole might be called "water ballet"? What are your thoughts on this? In any even I think the Wikipedia article shouldn't be putting "Ballet on the Water" in Yahoo's voice The practice was described by "ballet on the water" by Yahoo! News. since this is a phrase that comes from Kang. I'm not sure this is a serious problem, but what do you think about this? Umimmak (talk) 04:21, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

• Would changing it to
  ALT1: ... that the Miao art of balancing on a bamboo log has been described as "water ballet"? Source: "Over time, this became a unique skill of northern Guizhou residents, and is referred to as 'water ballet' (Lee, 2012)" Cheng, Chia Chi; Lu, Sai Jun; Meng, Meng; Sogawa, Tsuneo (April 2013). "Differences in the cognitive understanding of the concept of social harmony in the Traditional Games of Chinese Ethnic Minorities of China: A case study of the Guizhou dragon boat team". Asia Pacific Journal of Sport and Social Science. 2 (1): 50–66. doi:10.1080/01916599.2013.804663. Retrieved 26 February 2022.
  be of any help? It's a bit of a complicated thing and I never entirely got a clear understanding due to the equivocation of both forms as a single sport at times in all honesty. I'll rectify the Yahoo news portion of the article. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:53, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ornithoptera: Yeah I wish the sources went more into the specifics of the performance art and the competitive racing; I think ideally the article's description would clarify this more but you're limited by your sources. But the Cheng et al source says people call balancing on the bamboo in general "water ballet", not just the performance / dance, so I'll approve the new hook. Incidentally the SCMP source doesn't strictly describe the event as a "race", but I don't have access to the Gerin source so that might go more into detail. Also also, I didn't mean to say you couldn't use the Great Big Story video at all, I think it could perhaps be an external link; I just don't know if I see the benefit of citing Yahoo's text for the video.

In sum, article is new, long, within policy (neutral, has references, no copyright issues as far as I can tell), hook is interesting, properly formatted, and appears in the article with a citation, and QPQ has been completed.

ALT1 approved. Umimmak (talk) 07:31, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Umimmak: Thank you so much for your review and the feedback, you are definitely welcome to add the Great Big Story video if you see fit, your levelheaded feedback is well appreciated for such a difficult subject such as this one. I hope you enjoy your day and it was a great time working with you! Ornithoptera (talk) 07:33, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

ALT1 to T:DYK/P6