Talk:Sinodonty and Sundadonty

This article doesn't clearly explain what these two types actually consist of.

how do those shovel-like incissors look like, ok i guess like a shovel, but i am caucasian and my teeth look the same. --anonymous

yeah, it talks around sinodonty and sundadonty instead of defining them. Only in section 2.2 do you find out the difference between them. There's two critieria: one is subjective, and the other can't be determined without xraying your mouth. Photos desperately needed. --OsamaBinLogin (talk) 01:03, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Negroid or Australoid

Negroid and Australoid are not the same. Does the Sundadont dental complex have Negroid or Australoid traits? It seems that Australoid makes more sense, so it is going to be changed to Australoid. And how about a picture? Shovel-ish teeth: what is that? Are they pointy? Shovels can be both spade shaped and flat on the bottom. Chiss Boy 12:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Characteristics of Sundadonty?

The article mentions the characteristics of sinodonty (upper first premolar has one root and lower first molar has three roots), but not the characteristics of sundadonty. What are the characteristics? --::Slomox:: >< 21:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I've added an "Expert needed" tag in hopes that somebody will notice it and add a description of sundadonty. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 17:40, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Here's a source for those who have access:

Major features of Sundadonty and Sinodonty, including suggestions about East Asian microevolution, population history, and late Pleistocene relationships with Australian aboriginals.

A casual Google yields many definitions that simply refer to this page, so we'd best step up to the plate. Kortoso (talk) 17:45, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

References

Is Sinodonty a dominant or recessive trait?

It would be nice state whether Sinodonty is a dominate or recessive trait. Seems like it would be easy to determine since the phenotype is easily observed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phantom in ca (talk • contribs) 02:32, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

== Please include a description of the characteristics of "Sundadonty". Your article is worthless without it! (James B Porter PhD)

What about mixed-race people? 81.151.237.21 (talk) 23:56, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Odontometrics merge?

There's more to dental analysis in anthropology than the sino/sunda division. I suggest a merge.

Eurodonty or Caucasian dental complex

• Absent or trace shoveling
• No bilateral winging
• No premolar occlusal tubercles, or odontomes
• Carabelli’s trait often expressed as a cusp or bulge
• LM1 protostylid rare or absent
• LM1 cusp 6 rare or absent
• Cusp 7 rare or absent.

They reported three-cusped UM2 frequencies of about 30 percent, but they did not include this trait in the dental complex.

I'd agree. Kortoso (talk) 00:58, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

References

Quotation marks

Isn't there an overuse of quotation marks across this article? Should it be corrected?--Adûnâi (talk) 23:25, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Lots of people are sensitive about teeth ... I think this is one article, another being Mongoloid, where there is extensive notation about where each sentence of the article comes from and whether it uses the original source wording or not, since such claims may easily prove controversial. —Soap— 20:14, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Burmese

Since the map shows all of Myanmar as red but Tibet as yellow, does this mean that the people that brought Sino-Tibetan languages to what is now Myanmar had more cultural impact than genetic? i.e. despite speaking a related language to what the Han Chinese and Tibetans speak, Burmese are genetically less related to them than they are to other Southeast Asians?--109.153.155.242 (talk) 21:50, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Probably. Lanbguages are hit-or-miss, in general ... look at nearby Austro-Asiatic, which groups together the Vietnamese and some peoples with much darker skin, or Austronesian which connects the Taiwanese aborigines with Hawaiians, Samoans, and Malagasy people . —Soap— 19:16, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Photo or drawing

Simply explaining these various differences just not help the Layman and including pictures drawings or diagrams showing the differences would help greatly Tapalmer99 (talk) 12:26, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Mongoloid dental complex

The section Sinodonty and Sundadonty#Mongoloid dental complex appears out of date. Though we can find sources over 20 years ago that were casually using the word "Mongoloid", the theory of a yellow race has long been debunked. Could someone more experienced in related peer reviewed sources refresh the references, and update the language to something that is both scientifically meaningful, and not as offensive. For more information refer to Scientific racism. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 12:30, 8 September 2020 (UTC)