Talk:Sir Andrew Ramsay, 1st Baronet

I am a bit confused by how many Andrew Ramsays there were.

The ODNB suggests that Andrew Ramsay 1620-1688, who we have as Andrew Ramsay, Lord Abbotshall, was himself the first baronet, created in 1669, and "his son Andrew succeeded him in the baronetcy and estates". This would make his son (this article) the second baronet. However, if the son died 1679, he wouldn't be able to have succeeded his father, as his father outlived him - so is the ODNB mistaken about which one was created the baronet?

The options seem to be:

• Andrew Ramsay (1620-1688), created 1st baronet 1669
  • Andrew Ramsay (d. 1679), did not inherit the title
    • Andrew Ramsay (d. 1709?), succeeded as 2nd baronet

or

• Andrew Ramsay (1620-1688)
  • Andrew Ramsay (d. 1679), created 1st baronet 1669
    • Andrew Ramsay (d. 1709?), succeeded as 2nd baronet

Not really sure how best to proceed but thought I'd note it here for future reference. Andrew Gray (talk) 20:15, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

@Andrew Gray: I have gone with the second scheme above for Wikidata (Andrew Ramsay, Lord Abbotshall (Q4758357) -> Sir Andrew Ramsay, 1st Baronet (Q64853706) -> Sir Andrew Ramsay of Abbotshall, 2nd Bt (Q110282989)), on the strength of the reference in this article.

The Stirnet site [1] (block javascript to read, or delete HTML head section) suggests as a solution that Lord Abbotshall was the first baronet, but died in 1680 not 1688; that the Sir Andrew of this page was the second baronet; and that these were the only two Sir Andrews, so it was this Sir Andew who in 1709, without issue. This would require the ODNB to be mistaken, when it writes that "In 1685 he [Lord Abbotshall] was named a commissioner of trade". Jheald (talk) 00:04, 28 December 2021 (UTC)