Talk:Six Flags Great Adventure

Prefabricated coaster? Vandalism?

The article references the roller coaster El Toro as a "prefabricated coaster" rather that a "prefabricated wooden coaster" or just a wooden coaster. the term prefabricated coaster wood imply that it is not a wooden coaster. I suspect that the article was vandalized by a coaster enthusiast that believes prefabricated wood coasters are not true wooden coasters which (as of now at least) is false. Also rolling thunder is referred to as THE park's wooden coaster as if it is the parks only further claiming that El toro is not a wood coaster. someone should fix this as I'm not really to sure about making edits. Whiteguy128 (talk) 07:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea how to properly edit the page, but in the description of El Toro, the lines regarding the coaster looping are false. There is no loops or anything that could be considered a loop on El Toro. 208.68.21.28 (talk) 19:36, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I've fixed the description to remove the false statements (regarding loops) and revising the wording to better describe the prefabricated track. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 19:46, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that correction. I just noticed something else. Under the history section (Park Timeline) for 1984, it says that the 2 trains (Rolling Thunder) were run backwards. This is only half correct. The left hand track was run backwards, the right hand forward. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.68.21.27 (talk) 18:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Incidents

Does anybody have detailed information about the deadly fire in the Haunted House (circa 1988 or so) that prompted (a) the ride's removal or (b) the change in amusement ride governance by the state of NJ that can be added to this article? SpikeJones 14:25, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

If you are still loking for infor on that fire it can be found at this website, http://www.hauntedattraction.com/33/industry.html

Scroll down and you will see a long artcile on it. Here is an excerpt from the artcile,

"Fire at the Haunted Castle by Joe Costal It was 6:40 p.m., May 11, 1984. Kathy Ziprik had just gotten home from her job as assistant public relations director for Six Flags Great Adventure, a 1,700-acre theme park in Jackson, New Jersey. The phone rang. On the other end was the park’s on-duty, senior security officer. She was glad he called. Since Kathy had started her job at Great Adventure a few months prior, she worked hard to get employees to follow the correct chain of command. He was right to call her. There was a small fire at the Haunted Castle attraction. Nothing too serious, he just wanted her to know. It was her job to know. He did not think she needed to come back to the park, but Kathy wanted to anyway. It was her job, and besides, her boss was away. She wanted to make doubly sure everything would be all right. She hung up with the officer, and began to get dressed. Kathy never liked the Haunted Castle; frankly it gave her the creeps. Five minutes later, the phone rang again, this time it was a different park security officer. His question would ring in Kathy’s ears for the rest of her life. “There’s a fire at the Haunted Castle, where can the ABC News helicopter land?”" To continue reading, click on the following link, http://www.hauntedattraction.com/33/industry.html

Lightning Loops, Rolling Thunder.

Just from personal memory as a park rat who lived down the road from GA, the Lightning Loops incident involved a girl who jumped into her boyfriend's lap after the ride was cleared, hopping the queue turnstile (he was supposed to hold onto her through the loop). The Rolling Thunder incident was an employee running a ride check who sat on top of the restraint instead of on the seat. You can't cite my memory but this might give somebody a start on finding a source. BillMcGonigle (talk) 23:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Reply

See Haunted Castle at Six Flags Great Adventure and Incidents_at_Six_Flags_parks#Six_Flags_Great_Adventure —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris5858 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Rail line

It would probably be a really good idea for NJ Transit to build a new rail line from Trenton Station to the park, which would provide easy rail access to the park from Philly and NYC. This would make the park accessible to all the city-dwellers who don't drive. Anyone with me on this? Dusso Janladde 06:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

(Anonymous patently racist remark removed by ThatsNotFunny 10:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC))

 No. NJTransit already has a bus line from New York City (PABT) to Six Flags.
  Bus Route #308
 NJ Transit also has a bus from Phiidaelphia Greyhound Bus Terminal to Six Flags.
  Bus Route #318  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.187.51.165 (talk) 22:37, 18 May 2012 (UTC) 

Transportation?

Do we really need a section here for directions on how to get to the park? SpikeJones 21:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry that it took 16 days for you to get a response - well it is a good idea to help people out, but that is not Wikipedia's purpose. And besides the text in this section isn't wikified. So I am thinking of taking it out. --NicAgent 01:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Take it out. Same information can be found at the Six Flags website or at Mapquest.Zotdragon 14:38, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. --CliffC 05:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Reads like a travel brochure - tagged it "advertisement"

I couldn't find a {{travel brochure}} tag, so I could only add the "advertisement" tag. There is a lot of hype and breathless writing in this unsourced article that could stand toning down. For example,

• "74 miles from New York City, 67 miles from Newark and 60 miles from Philadelphia"
• "brilliant and colorful"
• "the world's tallest and fastest"
• "more rides than any other theme park in the world, with 72 rides as of 2006"
• "The theme park will open on April 2, 2007"

Those are from just the first paragraph. The rest is in similar style, with much of it sounding like a Six Flags press release. --CliffC 14:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, Kingda Ka IS the world's tallest and fasted roller coaster, I believe that it is listed in the Guinness Book of World Records. I can't be sure, but I would assumme. 67.81.170.159 13:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the trouble is that most of those things are true. Mileage is important because that's why the park is able to prosper. Kingda Ka is the world's tallest/fastest coaster. The park does have more rides than any other theme park. Those are just facts, and they're important ones; they're what make the park notable. "Brilliant and colorful" may be overkill, but the coasters actually are known for their bright coloring, it might just read better with a rewording. I don't think we need the date it opened this year, though. 128.122.253.229 17:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Photograph in violation of park policy

The photo located on this page concerning the parade should be edited. It depicts a park employee sitting in an area reserved for customers. This reflects poorly on the workers of six Flags. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.126.126 (talk • contribs)

Umm, the worker isn't the focus of that picture, the parade is. Just ignore the worker, plus if the worker is doing something wrong (which I don't think he is, sitting on an empty bench is not a crime) then it should there. Also, the section title you made is very misleading; there is nothing wrong with the picture and the picture violates no policy. --Michael Greiner 05:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

There is no Wikipedia policy that I know of that would make pictures that are against an individual company's policy to be posted here, provided they are free images. I do, however, find that the cell phone photo is of low quality and unencyclopedic. J.reed 06:59, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

SFGAdv vs. Cedar Point

In the first paragraph of this article, a fact says the following: "According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Six Flags Great Adventure has more rides than any other theme park in the world, with 72 attractions as of 2006". Isn't it Cedar Point the record holder of amusement park attractions, with 69 attractions as of 2006 (70 now), while SFGAdv now only has 53, as the article says, making these two statements be making no sense, as they conflict each other? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.172.225.72 (talk) 19:23, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

• You know, I just gotta ask, what's with you and Cedar Point?! --Mooshykris 01:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

• They're both great amusement parks, but I just don't think that that statement in the article is true. I think Cedar Point still holds the record for most attractions at an amusement park. -- 71.172.225.72 09:57, 27 August 2007 (EST)

• In 2008, something BIG is coming. 71.172.219.240 (talk) 04:09, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Cedar Point will have 76 rides as of May 10, 2008 so they become the park with the most rides. 98.28.69.39 (talk) 05:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Cue or Queue?

"the Haunted Castle Across the Moat took its que from the rooms and monsters of the 'Transylvanian Haunted Castle"" -- There's no such word as "que." But I can't fix it because I don't know whether the writer meant "cue" or "queue"!

It's cue as in the idea for the Haunted Castle Across the Moat came from LeRoy's idea for the Transylvanian Haunted Castle. Sorry, I was typing too fast! —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{2}}}|{{{2}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{2}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{2}}}|contribs]])

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This would be better served by a photo of the coaster anyway. Dang, I could have taken one last month. BillMcGonigle (talk) 23:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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Does Flying Wave still exist?

In the section with events for each year, the 2008 one says that the Flying Wave was closed and Turbo Bungy was moved into its place. However, according to the official Six Flags website, it's still there. They don't have Houdini on the site anymore, so it's not a lack of updating the list. Has anyone here gone to the park this season and seen Turbo Bungy where Flying Wave was? Halofan333 (talk) 23:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

It's gone (see forums in the external links). Can't really say I miss it (the sound when the ride slowed down always scared me) Not sure about Turbo Bungy. --Michael Greiner 03:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

The bridge from Plaza Del Carnaval to Frontier Adventures

The bridge taking you from Plaza Del Carnaval under a section of El Toro's and into Frontier Adventures outside Medusa is reopened for the 2009 season. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.82.178.115 (talk) 02:08, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Great American Scream Machine removal

The park's timeline references closing and dismantling of the Great American Scream Machine. The roller coaster is still running as of July 1, 2010. All discussion of Scream Machine removal, including details and dates of possible closing and removal, are still speculation... unless anyone has more concrete information with a reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Airow (talk • contribs) 04:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Houdini's Great Escape?

Someone needs to add that Houdini's Great Escape was reopened from memorial to labor day and fright fest... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.250.178.123 (talk) 01:15, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

2012 Golden Ticket Award not yet awarded

Kingda Ka was listed as the 2012 Golden Ticket Award winner for best steel roller coaster. As of this writing on May 20, 2012, the 2012 Golden Ticket Awards have not yet been presented. These are usually awarded in September of the same calendar year. It ranked #33 in 2011. I have removed that listing. Bill S. (talk) 02:56, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Page name should be moved to official name of "Six Flags Great Adventure & Safari"

The article name should reflect its new combined name of "Six Flags Great Adventure & Safari" (that's what's on the website). 15:24, 1 June 2013 (UTC)User:Americasroof

WP:COMMONNAME would hold here, and independent third-party reliable sources call it Six Flags Great Adventure. If sources outside of Six Flags Corporate start using that full name, it'd be worth considering.

On an kinda unrelated note, we also would need a reliable source backing up the sizes of both Great Adventure and Animal Kingdom to back up their respective media claims on size. The source added back appears to be a fan-site and thus isn't considered reliable.

--McDoobAU93 15:36, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

The corporate name on the official site http://www.sixflags.com/greatadventure/index.aspx calls it "Great Adventure & Safari." This has become a hot button (and the reason I wandered in) because Six Flags is making the world's largest claim in its advertising. Safari is where the park gets the acreage to make that claim. I added several links for the 580 acre number including books and the Chicago newspaper. Disney can be loosy goosey on its numbers since it owns so much undeveloped land. Since Six Flags is making the claim and there's a challenge to that number it needs to be made clear.16:43, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

We got into the corporate naming business at Walt Disney World as well, and COMMONNAME applied there too, both in moving the name from "Walt Disney World Resort" to "Walt Disney World" and in the initial attempt to move the article to just "Disney World". A couple of the sources you added were still unreliable as they were fan-pages. I did keep the Chicago Tribune citation, which was enough to support the information and is a reliable source. I do agree with your main point that marketing numbers are ripe for challenge and for having supporting information to back it up. --McDoobAU93 16:47, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your eagle eye on sources. I'm comfortable with that part now. Most people will still call it Great Adventure but this was a marketing trick by them to make the claim of world's biggest. Most of the developed amusement parks are amazingly small in terms of acreage. Animal parks which require less development can add up a lot of acreage.Americasroof (talk) 16:58, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Conversely, animal parks have a lot of backstage areas that can be added/removed as needed for marketing purposes. We honestly don't know what the official breakdown of acreage is for each park, although we'd be more likely to get that information for Great Adventure because the government authority for Disney is ... well, Disney. --McDoobAU93 17:04, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

And just to make things interesting, there's this on the official Disney site which calls it 403 acres. http://corporate.disney.go.com/media/news/Fact_WDW_Fun_Facts_08_06.pdf which I number I haven't seen anywhere. I really couldn't cite it because I found it via Google and not from a backlink on Disney so it could be a stale document. Americasroof (talk) 17:11, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

I guess I do see a lot of references to the 403 number via Google. The official item I mentioned references the Tree of Life which I believe is a new Avatar item that is supposed to be built there so the reference has to be relatively recent. There's enough "there there" to probably include that number too since it's on the official Disney site.Americasroof (talk) 17:22, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Safari park car damage

Great Adventure stopped allowing personal cars to drive through the Safari in 2012 (Travelers Today article, ABC News article). Does anyone have a reference to damage done to vehicles? My older brother writes (in an email to my family this week) "I worked at Exxon / Joyce Kilmer (on the NJ Turnpike) when GA first opened. I vividly remember cars coming into the station with COMPLETELY SHREDDED vinyl tops. I remember one guy in particular who had a carload of kids, a look of utter exasperation on his face and a shredded vinyl roof. He said he had the worst day of his life that day." Ckrahe (talk) 12:21, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

IIRC, the park's babboons would often do a number to vehicles when drivers went through their zone. The park made sure guests knew the risks and offered a bypass around the area for guests who didn't want to risk their vehicles. I actually remember that from an "official" travel guide that an author published on all the Six Flags parks (similar to the Birnbaum Disneyland/WDW travel guides). It doesn't detail amounts of damage, just that it was possible. --McDoobAU93 15:30, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Offensive / Fabricated Content?

There is a paragraph in the "Werner LeRoy Era (1974-1977)" section which appears out of place, dubious and includes what appears to be clear vandalism, but I couldn't track it down to a single edit:

The Walt Disney and the Switlik Park areas debuted in 1999 with several new spinning rides, a smaller Ferris wheel and a Schwartzanigger Jumbo Jet roller coaster. The coaster never opened and was removed at the end of the season. A second flume called the Moon Flume was built by Arrow Dynamics to ease crowds on the Log Flume. It was built on the opposite end of the park and the station turntable is used for the stage of the Wiggles show today. The Fortune Festival was a new game section that was located where the Boardwalk section exists today.

72.76.132.142 (talk) 14:17, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Done Went through the page history and found the original wording of the paragraph. It's been restored. Thanks for bringing it to our attention ... it's very easy to get "snowblind" when you see an article all the time and don't realize something's out of place. --McDoobAU93 15:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Addition of Cyborg

Yes, the park has announced an ABC Rides Tourbillon themed to Cyborg, but the install has not yet been completed. The ride can be added to the list when it is actually installed. There are things that could happen that would prevent this; the park changes ownership, they change their mind on the ride, etc. While unlikely, it is not guaranteed that the ride will be installed. Since there is no deadline, we can wait until it's installed and operational. --McDoobAU93 21:01, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

This is not consistent with the pages of most other Six Flags and Cedar Fair parks. They all have 2018 ride information. I don't see the point of removing accurate and sourced info from the page, overhanded removals of valid information will make people less likely to contribute to Wikipedia in the future.

If you really wanted to make Wikipedia a better place, you would remove announced non-operational rides from the other Six Flags and Cedar Fair parks as well. Rockypedia (talk) 21:47, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Many such articles do indeed list upcoming attractions in the prose discussing the park history, not in the currently available attractions. --McDoobAU93 12:12, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Agreed, the prose section is the place for placing text about such announcements, not the lists of current rides. Rockypedia (talk) 03:10, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Addition of Holiday in the Park

I realized that I originally wrote "Adventure Alley" twice here by accident. That's why I took one of them out, but it keeps getting added back again, even though that's unnecessary. --173.63.143.238 (talk) 01:16, 14 July 2019 (UTC) ---Fixed. Thanks. --Michael Greiner 01:52, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Retail Stores

I noticed that in the article for this page, it includes only the retail stores on Main Street (like the Looney Tunes Gift Shop and Main Street Market), but not the other retail stores in the park. Personally, I find this to be a little inconsistent...but maybe that's not my call to make. For instance, there are the Attitudes, Flags, and Discovery Gifts retail stores - which are located at the north side of the Boardwalk. Not to mention there is also the Gotham City Gift Shop as well, located in the Movie Town section of the park. There are also a few other retail stores on the far west side of the park that I don't know as much about personally, but regardless my point still stands here. (There is also the "Oasis Cafe" located in Safari Kids - which is technically considered a retail store for a couple of obscure reasons, but acts more like a restaurant.) 173.63.143.238 (talk) 22:30, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Actually, just a brief mention of the types of shops, stores, and restaurants is all that's necessary in an amusement park article (and sometimes not at all). We definitely don't need to delve into listing every single one. Wikipedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia, and encyclopedias focus on the most significant aspects surrounding an article topic. They are not park or travel guides, and this is even mentioned in a core policy at WP:NOTTRAVEL. --GoneIn60 (talk) 06:13, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

I have removed the list of stores from the Main Street subsection as stores are not usually considered attractions. I did leave the gazebo as entertainment venues can serve as attractions.97.100.102.202 (talk) 20:28, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

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A big thanks to GoneIn60

GoneIn60, thank you for expanding on my edit! 😃 CamdenFreeway295 (talk) 19:02, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Restaurant List

Is the restaurant list section really needed? I thought this was clarified in the Retail Store discussion that stores and dining locations do not need to be listed one by one. Eye4ThemeParks (talk) 18:22, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Update: I have removed the restaurant list section. Restaurants lists are not encyclopedic and not included in most other theme park articles. Eye4ThemeParks (talk) 12:40, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

That's correct. They are almost always non-notable. Every amusement park has 'em. A restaurant would have to be along the lines of famous and written about in many sources to qualify as an exception. --GoneIn60 (talk) 13:59, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

History section lacking cites

To interested editors, the History section could use extra verification/citations - mainly in the sub-sections talking about earlier years. If any editors would like to pursue this and find more citations, that would be great! Thanks, Harobouri • 🎢 • 🏗️ (he/him • WP:APARKS) 02:01, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Holiday-in-the-Park Section Edit

I edited out the part of the "Holiday-in-the-Park" section where it said that HitP attracts some of the heaviest crowds of the year (followed by a "citation needed" bracket after that, which shows that it's an unsubstantiated claim). I know for a fact that HitP definitely attracts less heavy crowds than Fright Fest does. What's interesting though, is that HitP at its slowest can be crawling quiet; but HitP at its busiest can be equivalent to a typical summer weekend. 71.104.75.6 (talk) 12:55, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Skyride Closure/Removal

The Skyride is currently listed in two different rows in the “Former Attractions” section of the article, with one listing its year of closing (2023) and one listing the planned year of its removal (2024). Obviously there should not be two rows for the same ride, but should the “Year Closed” column list the year the ride informally closed or officially closed? I think the best solution may be to list both. Ex. 2023 (closing), 2024 (removal) Cap8Rob9 (talk) 20:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)