Talk:Skin gambling

Scope

I was waiting for this article—nice work! Appears to be almost entirely about CS:GO though, no? I'd change the scope to reflect this unless there is coverage planned of non-CS:GO skin gambling  czar 23:13, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

@Czar: there is similar gambling that uses DOTA2 and TF2 skins (though often on the same CS:GO sites). Also I do want to get more into the more legit gambling that is mentioned for other esports games but I haven't researched that too much yet. --MASEM (t) 23:29, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

@Czar: to add, if I can expand it, I might need to section the CS:GO aspects parts too, but the way its looking , skin gambling from other games are known to happen, can be sourced, but because they don't cross the line into real world money, are "yeah, they happen, *shrug*". --MASEM (t) 23:43, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Would it be better to rename this article to Counter-Strike: Global Offensive skin gambling or Skin gambling in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive due to the scope? Also, you might be able to find some references you haven't used yet in this discussion I started a few months ago, which resulted in it being merged into the CSGO article because it wasn't as well documented back then. Anarchyte (work | talk) 08:06, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

The thing is, depending on whether certain sources are RS (I am putting forth the eSports Betting Report for review, given its cited a few times by other sources), that "skin gambling" is a thing that runs across many eSports games like LoL and Heroes - that is, the concept of using tradable skins for betting on match outcomes. That as a term is not limited to just CS:GO. But the focus of the last few months in what are currently the CS:GO community is seeing (skin gambling in the other eSports is not a problem since you can't trade skins for cash, satisfying US case law). --MASEM (t) 14:15, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

@Czar: Next time you're waiting for an article, why wait? Be bold and make it yourself!. I'm sure everyone here at Wikipedia would appreciate the contribution. If you're unsure how to get started You might try this page, it'll help you along as you create your first article! Anyway, welcome to Wikipedia, I hope I've been of assistance and I hope you enjoy being an editor here! Americanfreedom (talk) 04:47, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

@Americanfreedom: Czar's an admin. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:06, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

@Anarchyte: That still doesn't explain why he waited around for an article to be made instead of just making it himself. When I want an article on something, I do it myself. Wikipedia, after all, is a collaborative process, you can't just wait around for something to be created (well, OK in this instance it payed off). If you want an article have at it!Americanfreedom (talk) 17:53, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Up to about, say, June 30, this was more an interesting element that was within the CS:GO page. And then two lawsuits happened by July 7, and then Valve took steps by July 13. The flurry of information that is actually interesting and encyclopedic for this only came about in the last month and there was already talk at the CS:GO page about expanding it. Once Valve took action I created this at that point because I saw it as now a separate aspect. But that was in the last 3 weeks only where this separate article made sense. And if I didn't I would suspect someone would have, give or take a few weeks. So there's no point in being critical to Czar or anyone else not taking steps (Czar is very active and has a bunch of other articles they are trying to get to quality too). --MASEM (t) 20:14, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

That makes sense, sorry. Americanfreedom (talk) 04:30, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 6 February 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Nomination withdrawn. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:33, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

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Skin gambling → Counter-Strike: Global Offensive skin gambling – This article is primarily about betting in CSGO, and even though it does talk about other games, it's only really talked about under the "other games" section. It's obvious that the scope of the article at the moment is for gambling in CSGO. Also, people will be searching for CSGO gambling a lot more than other games. Comparison 1, comparison 2 Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:53, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose While it is primarily related to CS:GO, the majority of sources just call it "skin gambling" recognizing it can happen elsewhere, but explain it is principally CS:GO. --MASEM (t) 20:22, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose. Since there is no other article that has a similar title, I don't see the point in limiting the scope of the title and making it unnecessarily longer. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 06:51, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose, per the above arguments. Although, the article should be edited to be a bit less CS:GO-centric, as that's not the only game with the issue. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 09:28, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

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Advertising in usernames

Is it notable that many skin gambling websites encourage users to advertise them by adding their domain names to their usernames? BFeely (talk) 22:05, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

• It's certainly somewhat prevalent in gaming communities, but have sources remarked on this at all? It's just advertising in the end. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 04:58, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

CSGOWild accused of rigging outcomes

A day or so ago, some people accused CSGOwild (.com) of rigging the provably fair system. Here are some sources if it's deemed important enough to include: [1] [2] (unsure of reliability of second one. No listing on WP:VG/RS). Anarchyte (work | talk) 08:08, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

"Skins" as its own article

Just asking, but is there enough information to have "skins" as its own base article? I feel like it just directing the term here is a bit odd, as this explains the legal and controversial aspects of gambling/betting them and doesn't really give a solid introduction to what they even are to a new reader. But failing that, perhaps it have its own section on something like the virtual goods article? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:44, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I would at least make it clear in virtual goods what skins are. I don't think there's much more to say beyond defining it there and of course this whole mess here and at loot box. --Masem (t) 21:58, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

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Would a small update be necessary? (Counter-Strike 2)

The article obviously mainly concerns controversies with CS:GO, and while CS2 hasn't had any notable controversies in relation to gambling, some language on the page could still probably use an update to mention CS2 and clarify it's replacement of CS:GO. Not sure how the edit would be done though so I'll just leave this on the talk page. SewSown (talk) 18:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Good idea, done! Alyo (chat·edits) 19:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)