Talk:Snake/Archive 3

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2018

Omgthisissoannoyinginneed (talk) 17:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Empty request, nothing to do. - FlightTime (open channel) 17:11, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2018

There is an incorrect caption on one of the photos. CFIRLS (talk) 23:24, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

@CFIRLS: Which photo? What would the correct caption be? Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 23:44, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 07:17, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Temporal Range

The temporal range in the top right corner says that snakes first appeared in the Late Cretaceous. The Tetrapodophis (a prehistoric snake) article's temporal range says that Tetrapodophis lived in the Early Cretaceous, thus conflicting. I believe that this should be looked into. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8803:5B00:33A:211B:6ADA:589C:6DA0 (talk) 04:18, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

As the text says, it's uncertain whether Tetrapodophis was really a snake or not. HCA (talk) 13:32, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Image of snake molting

I uploaded a picture that I took a few years ago showing a snakes moving File:Snake shedding skin on bridge.png. Figured I'd mention it here if it might be useful as it shows the snake using a walkway bridge post to help molt. PaleAqua (talk) 04:18, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Update the Snake Phylogeny

Glancing over the article's current phylogeny of snakes is severely out of date, and it does not agree with the current hypothesis over the relationship of snakes. I have constructed a phylogeny after several studies most notably the Pryon et al. (2013) and Figueroa et al. (2016). The link is here User:4444hhhh/Pythonomorpha Practice#Ophidia (note that it is the overall Ophidia tree, but I can easily trim out the stem-taxa)--4444hhhh (talk) 13:52, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2019

yes please. 47.176.58.199 (talk) 15:39, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Image of snake heart

Hey guys, I would like to add information and my own dissected picture of a snake's heart under the Internal organs section. This is important because snake's have a three-chambered heart that is different than the mammal's four-chambered heart in delivering blood and oxygen since snake's have an elongated body. Tell me what you guys think. A couple of articles that I have found regarding the heart are:

• "Circulation in the Three-Chambered Snake Heart"
• "The heart of the South American rattlesnake, Crotalus durissus"

— Preceding unsigned comment added by AR12Fan (talk • contribs) 00:06, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

References

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2020

Here is what I think should be added: Though most people think all snakes are deadly and venomous,only about 500 snake species out of more than 3,000 are venomous, and of those only 30 - 40 are considered harmful to humans. Statistically speaking, less than 2 percent of all snakes are considered harmful to humans. Varunpopo (talk) 00:59, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:29, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Evolution

Snakes might have evolved during the Jurassic period. There is a 2018 report called "A Preliminary Report of the Fossil Mammals From a New Microvertebrate Locality in the Upper Jurassic Morrison Formation, Grand County, Utah", this paper describes snake fossils from the Morrison Formation (which dates tot he Jurassic). Would we want to include this in the time line as a possibility or wait or more conclusions. This paper is newer than the one we use for the snake timeline. --Bubblesorg (talk) 15:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

The current age is for the crown group, i.e. the common ancestor of all living snakes and all its descendants. The Parviraptor or Diablophis. is well known in recent years as a lineage of early snakes but they probably do not belong to the crown group. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 07:16, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

The paper is showing Serpentes indent, Serpentes is the crown group. This is not showing Parviraptor or Diablophis. But sure, I would agree to keep it out for now--Bubblesorg (talk) 19:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Digestion

The discussion of snake digestion within the "Feeding and Diet" section could be expanded to include more information about the adaptations snakes have for digestion at lower temperatures. More information could also be added to explain in more detail how the digestive system works to break down the animals that had been eaten whole beyond just mentioning that there's an enzyme, and if all snakes or certain groups of snakes have distinctive digestive processes, organs, or enzymes. Mkarasik (talk) 21:30, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Number of snake species

@Peteruetz: Hi Peter, I just wanted to check out your sourcing for the number of species. I understand that my WorldAtlas source might be a little out of date, but I think it's a more suitable source for the number of species because it makes the definitive statement: "There are approximately 3,600 known species of snakes in the world." The page isn't particularly out of date as it was published in January 2019 (according to the page source code). I'd suggest using this with a conclusive dated statement like: "As of January 2019, there were approximately 3,600 species of snakes."

I'm concerned that the main page of your website does not state anywhere that there are about 3,900 species (unless I'm not looking in the right place) which is the info that needs to be verified. This is also why I'm concerned about a WP:COI issue because you clearly know your own website inside out, but the casual reader would not know how to navigate to find the relevant information. If we were to use your site, might it not be better to give the search results link used elsewhere in the article (ref.5)? It at least provides an up-to-date number that is clearly visible to the reader (today it says 3879) but that link may be overused in the article already, which suggests that an alternative source should be used elsewhere. Regards, Rodney Baggins (talk) 10:28, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Rodney, I agree, the link to the search result is the better solution rather than the home page.

However, there are other ways to find that number, e.g. a link on our main web page saying "How many species?", which also yield 3,879 snake species (in Dec 2020) and you can actually use the quick search on the same page which gives you 4006 species (which is not exactly correct as that will return all entries that mention the word "snake"). However, you are also right that the Advanced search is only one click away from the main page and you can search the higher taxa for snake, which again will give you 3,879 snake species, and that list is not only up-to-date (except for species described since December), but also provides all the gory details on every single one of them (once you click the links). Cheers, Peteruetz (talk) 19:39, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

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Snakes are parasitic animals - snakes crawling into people's stomachs and nesting there reported in Russian media.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12541253/snake-pulled-throat-slither-sleep-video/ - this case was covered by several different news sources and includes a video. In the footage you can see a four foot long snake is being removed from the woman's stomach. In the area the woman hailed from, it's said that it's an occasional occurrence, and people are warned not to sleep outdoors for a snake could crawl into a person's stomach through their mouth and make a home there. Perhaps this behaviour should be added to this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.180.79.70 (talk) 19:29, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

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J 2600:387:A:982:0:0:0:48 (talk) 01:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

How do paleontologists know that the fossils they look at are snakes, and not legless lizards?

One way is to check for expandable jaw, because snakes have them, while lizards don't and can only eat prey smaller than it's mouth. However, is this clear in fossils? Not sure if jaw bones become fossilized, or if there is enough detail to make out a difference. How do paleontologists know they are looking at evolution of snakes, and not evolution of legless lizards?--111.201.79.153 (talk) 19:57, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Their body plans are very different. Legless lizards are just lizards only without legs. On the other hand snakes have significant axial skeleton modifications: much shorter tails, increased number of thoracic vertebra and reduced number of neck, lumbar and pelvic vertebra. There are likely other less significant differences. Ruslik_Zero 18:59, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

They can tell that in fossils?--122.49.211.131 (talk) 08:59, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, easily, with decently preserved fossils Dailen05 (talk) 19:03, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Adding info on molting's relationship to reproductive behavior

Hello all,

I am looking at adding info about the relationship between ecdysis in snakes and reproduction, specifically adding the line “It’s also been observed in snakes that molting can be synced to mating cycles. Shedding skin can release pheromones and revitalize color and patterns of the skin to increase attraction of mates” to the molting section of this article, right at the beginning of the section as this is another purpose of molting in snakes.

Here are my main sources: Synchronization of Spring Molting with the Onset of Mating Behavior in Male Lizards, Lacerta vivipara and Synchrony of Ecdysis in Snakes

Wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts on this addition as I know this is a big article.

On The Nile (talk) 20:46, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Plagiarism and other issues with molting section

There is plagiarism in the second paragraph in the molting section from this archived source: https://web.archive.org/web/20060805131135/http://www.szgdocent.org/resource/rr/c-slimy.htm

There was also plagiarism in the first paragraph from this book that I tried to change.

Also section could benefit from different wording in several areas

On The Nile (talk) 16:43, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2022

"Both fossils and phylogenetic studies demonstrate that snakes evolved from lizards, hence the question became which genetic changed led to limb loss in the snake ancestor."

Please correct "changed" to "changes". Thank you. 2A02:3033:F:7612:1:1:F5BB:6D0F (talk) 17:53, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk  19:02, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 26 December 2022

In the infobox, the second image to right links to Striped house snake, which isn't a page. It should instead link to Boaedon lineatus, which does appear to be the Striped house snake and has the same image in its article. Lampyscales (talk) 04:20, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done Thank you, - FlightTime (open channel) 04:24, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi

So ummmm no idea why the hell u searched hi like bro are u stupid?ya u are . Anisha.s1 mhs (talk) 08:46, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2023

In the sentence "One example of this is the Habu snake, which is sometimes placed in the Okinawan liqueur Habushu (ブ酒), also known as "Habu Sake".", change the incorrect "ブ酒" to "ハブ酒". September0295 (talk) 07:09, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done–small jars tc 09:36, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

English

Visual snakes 2405:201:C004:6002:D85C:7148:5AAB:B663 (talk) 13:45, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Snake

Okay I would love to see you and get my heathly up and get my heathly up and get my heathly up and get my heathly up 162.72.34.233 (talk) 17:22, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Classifarion for snake

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Snakes are cladistically lizards

It might be helpful to add the sentence that from a cladistic point of view, snakes are lizards (several lizard species are more closely related to snakes than to at least one other lizard species), just how the article for birds states that birds are cladistically reptiles. Since cladistics teaches that no organism can evolve out of a clade, this makes snakes a subgroup of lizards. 2409:4042:4D9B:4484:0:0:380B:7100 (talk) 12:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)