Talk:So Random!

Edit request from 68DANNY2, 21 May 2011

After Lovato's departure from Sonny with a Chance, Disney began running promos calling to the revamped So Random! as its own series. Instead of continuing on with the original Sonny format, So Random! is now treated as a new show, simply saying that it was introduced in its predecessor. (See http://www.disneychannelmedianet.com/DNR/2011/SR_051711.doc) With that said, it would be appropriate to change this redirect page and make it into an article.

68DANNY2 (talk) 19:04, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

This template is for making specific requests only, if you want an article here I suggest you write one yourself as a userspace draft then request it be placed here--Jac16888 ^Talk 20:33, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I have made a userdraft article as requested. It can be found at User:68DANNY2/So Random!. 68DANNY2 (talk) 00:11, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Consensus has been reached to create this article. 117Avenue (talk) 01:38, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Musical Guests/Sketches

This show will now be formatted as a musical-sketch comedy. If so, how will List of So Random! sketches be revamped to accommodate the new sketches in this season? Also, should the episode table be formatted a little like the SNL episode tables? --DisneyFriends (talk) 12:04, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that can be answered until June 5. --AussieLegend (talk) 12:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree. We should wait until the premiere as we still no nothing of the show except that it's a sketch comedy show. I have a feeling they will be like the Halloween and Christmas Specials, but that's OR and the proper thing to is is wait until the series premiere before any assumptions are made. - Alec2011 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

List of So Random! episodes

Shouldn't we create a List of So Random! episodes page? --Dcupdates11 (talk) 06:10, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Done, but there isn't much content yet. 117Avenue (talk) 06:37, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK

I have nominated this article for DYK. You can watch the progress at T:TDYK#So Random!. 117Avenue (talk) 04:57, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Your description states this "... that Disney Channel has created a spin-off of Sonny with a Chance, titled So Random!, which is a musical sketch comedy show that was first introduced in Sonny with a Chance?" however you seem to disagree with DCupdates11 [[1]] about the show being a spin-off and yet you still added "spin-off" in your description. Contradiction statement. - Alec2011 (talk) 18:41, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I question it being the third. Were those others spin-offs, or just a continuation of the series? 117Avenue (talk) 18:45, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

All those other ones were stated by Disney as "Spin-offs" whereas So Random! was not. - Alec2011 (talk) 18:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I also meant to include in the previous comment, "or were there others in the past?" 117Avenue (talk) 20:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

There weren't any in the past. Cory in the House was Disney Channel's first ever spin-off as stated by Disney. Suite Life was the second and currently last one. - Alec2011 (talk) 02:46, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually Jonas L.A. is currently Disney's last spin-off. --DisneyReady (talk) 11:36, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

What was that spun off from? --AussieLegend (talk) 11:49, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

They're suggesting Jonas L.A. was a spin-off of Jonas. It really wasn't, it was just a relocation and slight reformat. -- Zanimum (talk) 21:52, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Names

I'm not sure why the silliness with names is happening but Tawni and Chad Dylan Cooper were both mentioned by name in the first 5 minutes of the first episode. The Disney Channel Medianet reference refers to the characters by the names they used in SWAC,[2] so clearly they are playing the same characters as they did in that show. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:10, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Based on the first episode, it looks like So Random! is the show-within-a-show (I think they said something like "...going into our third season" in the episode?) minus the show it is within (i.e. no attention paid to their misadventures outside the sketch comedy) and they are indeed playing the same characters. --Boycool (talk) 13:15, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Because they only play in sketches, it would be wrong to give them any character attributes, since they don't appear as these characters. You can't call Tawni a diva, when she never appears as Tawni. In the first episode Thornton appears as a safety conscience ninja, a heartbroken teenager, a high school teacher with a thing for the principal, and a mother to a problem child. 117Avenue (talk) 02:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

The characters don't lose their SWAC attributes just because they've changed format. Disney has identified them all as the characters that they played in SWAC. You're wrong when you say Tawni never appears as Tawni. In the first 5 minutes when the cast was lined up Tawni was acting exactly as you would expect Tawni to act when she started going on about her new lipstick. She was carrying on her character from SWAC. Tawni played characters in SWAC too, this show is not different in that regard. It's just SWAC without Lovato, a plot or humour. --AussieLegend (talk) 02:11, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

On the list of SNL cast members is Kristen Wiig listed as a New Yorker who was a graphic artist? No. Because she appears as different characters in the show. There is only a list of players. 117Avenue (talk) 03:30, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

SNL was, as far as I'm aware, never anything else other than a sketch show so people who have appeared haven't previously established themselves as anything other than unnamed characters in a sketch show. So Random! is different. The characters have previously established their characters in Sonny with a Chance. Had Lovato not left we would be watching Sonny with a Chance season 3 where the characters would be more obvious. However, with her departure Disney has reworked the show to concentrate more on the sketches and renamed the program but it is still the same set of established characters performing those sketches, as they did occasionally on Sonny with a Chance. We saw that demonstrated in the opening with the previously mentioned example where Chad Dylan Cooper (not Sterling Knight) was introduced as a new member of So Random! and Tawni (not Tiffany) was referred to by name when she was talking about changing from Coco Moco Coco (a minor plot point introduced in the 2 seasons of SWAC) to a new type of lipstick. The same established characters have moved on to a new program, they haven't been re-introduced as a completely new set of characters that just happen to be identical to the old characters. All the Disney releases point to that. They said that they were reworking the show, not that the show was something completely new. --AussieLegend (talk) 13:01, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

So we aren't to treat this like a sketch show? 117Avenue (talk) 00:10, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Character attributes have nothing to do with that. Disney doesn't seem to have an issue with it. The Disney release says "Popular characters from "So Random!" -- the show within the show "Sonny With A Chance" -- Tawni, Grady, Nico, Zora and rival Chad Dylan Cooper are joined by..." Clearly they are the same characters and we should treat them as such. There's not a single shred of evidence that says they aren't the same characters and lots that say they are, including the show itself, so I'm not sure why you keep pushing this line. --AussieLegend (talk) 05:24, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I thought we only reported what actually happens in the shows, not what Disney Channel says happens. I see on Sonny with a Chance Lovato's character is listed as Allison, even though it is never said on air, and that on JONAS the family's last name is Lucas, even though it is never said in the show. 117Avenue (talk) 00:35, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

No, we report what is relevant and verifiable. We don't limit content to just what happens on-screen. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:45, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

So Random! series status

It seems Disney Channel hasn't decided what this series stands as - Spin-Off, Season 3 of SWAC, or Stand-alone series. Disney Channel has called it both a season 3 of SWAC and Spin-off in it's promos: it's a new season of So Random! with the... and ...then it's the series premiere of So Random!. Does anybody have an official link PROVING (meaning it clearly states it) whether it is a spin-off, new season, or stand-alone? --DisneyReady (talk) 06:33, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

It is an individual series. They are making it sound like it is an existing series coming from another channel. 117Avenue (talk) 00:14, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Well I believe you, but do you have an official site proving it? --DisneyReady (talk) 00:46, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

The promo says "when the all new musical sketch comedy show, So Random, comes to Disney Channel". No official source calls it season 3 of Sonny with a Chance. Have you read all the arguments on Talk:Sonny with a Chance, specifically the last section? 117Avenue (talk) 01:53, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

What Ever Happened to Sonny Munroe?

Sonny is Not in So Random!. Maybe Sonny's Back in Wisconsin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.10.125.238 (talk) 14:20, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I guess we'll never know until Demi Lovato makes an awkward guest appearance. --Boycool (talk) 14:59, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Imagemap issues

Okay, so my imagemap didn't work out, but can someone help me? --173.73.61.241 (talk) 20:13, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Series finished?

In an interview May 1, [3] Tiffany Thornton when responding to a question from the interviewer confirmed that, as of that date, the show has not been renewed. Disney, as of yet, has not officially announced that the show is finished. There is an ongoing edit conflict as to whether or not Thornton's statement is enough for this article to conclude the show is done or not. Disney might not ever make a formal announcement - how long do we wait before we conclude they won't? Disney has announced a lot of new series and series renewals already, So Random! was not one of them. I think it is pretty obvious the show is over. --Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:37, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Still WP:OR to conclude that. At best, we have an unreliable source (YouTube doesn't become reliable because of the content, only by the authority of the channel) making a weak acknowledgment of a statement from an interviewer.—Kww(talk) 21:45, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree, also, Disney Channel hasn't said a thing on any of this, they haven't even said it hasn't been renewed yet! As for right now, So Random! is first-run, maybe eventually on hiatus, but until Disney says anything, it's not canceled or over.--JohnDoe98 (talk) 21:54, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

The source is an interview and as a primary source it is reliable as to what the interviewee stated, independent of who hosts or shot the video. As long as we don't go beyond what the interviewee said and try to interpret that, which so far in the article, we haven't, it is a valid reference for what she confirmed when asked - as of the date of the interview the show had not been renewed. There is no reason to doubt her veracity or knowledge. The evolving consensus seems to be to wait for a statement from Disney before changing the article - I have not problem with that. We should also accept a non-Disney reliable secondary source if one comes up. My main goal in starting this discussion is document the issue and get inputs other than in edit history statements. --Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:33, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

YouTube videos are not reliable sources when published by unreliable sources. Think of it like the chain of custody for evidence. An unreliable editor can tamper with video to make it appear to say or show things that did not occur. I doubt that has happened in this particular case, but that does nothing to change the foundation principle. If this interview was published on a channel under Tiffany Thornton's control (or Disney, or ABC, or any other reliable source), then being published on YouTube would not diminish that. This one, however, is published by Clevver TV: that's an unreliable source, and nothing will change that.—Kww(talk) 22:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Whether or not a given source is reliable for a specific case is a judgment on what specific information the source is supporting. Generally sources classed as unreliable are those that don't have a reputation for fact checking. Not an issue here. No indication of tampering, interviewee is well known and interview is consistent. As my judgment call, in this particular specific case and usage, the source is reliable. If you disagree, remove it and I'll let it be. Issue is addressed here anyway, that is good enough for me. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:26, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

YouTube doesn't check facts, and I'm not aware that Clevver TV has a reputation for fact checking, either. I'm not sure why you think that isn't an issue here.—Kww(talk) 23:32, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

The root primary source is Thornton herself speaking her own words. The only issue is whether or not they were recorded accurately. YouTube does nothing except host videos. Clevver TV recorded Thornton speaking. Clevver TV's lack of a reputation for fact checking (why they are not generally a WP:RS) is irrelevant to the issue of if they are accurately passing on a recording of a TV show principal making statements. --Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:49, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually, Clevver TV's ability to manipulate the video and audio, combined with no reputation for reliability to assure us that they have not, is the precise reason why a video on YouTube published by an unreliable source can't be used. If it was on a channel we could trace to Thornton, it would be fine as the primary source you want to treat it as. If it had been published on a channel controlled by a reliable source, it would still be fine to treat it as a primary source. As it has been published by an unreliable source, it can't even be treated as a primary source.—Kww(talk) 00:42, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I started a discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Use of ClevverTV's video channel on YouTube as source of interview content to get a decision about the use of this video as a reference. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:47, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I'd just like to point out that I watch most of Disney shows and follow them and I can assure you that Disney doesn't really announce if a show is "cancelled." They usually order a season then finish the last episode then move on. If we do want to wait for a formal statement from Disney, I'm all for it. Just in case nothing is said by Disney, I'm pretty sure in 6 months if nothing is said, the show is cancelled. We cannot wait 2 years from a statement. If for some season there is a new season in a year that the show is returning we can say that. I would give until episodes do not air on Disney anymore that the show still could get renewed. Since PrankStars does not air on the Channel anymore and there's been no formal announcement for the series, I feel it's safe to say PrankStars is cancelled.

Disney announced the last season of Hannah Montana & Wizards as the "final" season and the last episodes were named "series finales" so that indicated the show is done. In this case Disney ordered a new show, aired all of the episodes and stopped production on the show. Disney would normally announce another season of a show during the series current run. I usually say if Disney does not do that then the show isn't renewed for another season since Disney does not really formally announce "cancellations".

As for the source of the interview as a reliable source. The YouTube channel the video is posted on is the Official Clevver TV YouTube channel. We use Disney Channel's Official YouTube as a source as well as other TV Stations official YouTube's, twitter accounts (that are verified), etc as reliable sources. Since the YouTube channel is the official YouTube for that (and not a random YouTube that a fan would post the video on) then we should be able to use it as a reliable source. - Alec (talk) 04:46, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

It would be nice to have an official announcement, but I agree with Alec2011. Did Disney Channel ever acknowledge the end of Cory in the House or PrankStars? I think that Thornton saying "it's going to be weird to not see everyone again", and "I wish all of my co-stars the best", is as official as it's going to get. 117Avenue (talk) 05:58, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Alec2011 is absolutely right, Disney Channel will most likely never announce that the show is canceled, especially if the show is underperforming. They never have in past, why would they start now. The only time it is ever known if Disney Channel cancels production on something, is if a cast member announces it on their Facebook, Twitter or in an interview. QuasyBoy (talk) 20:46, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if anyone else has but i saw a recent commercial for the show on DisneyXD? Does that mean they are bringing it back? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.135.14 (talk) 02:36, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Broken Link

Link 8 (supporting castmembers) to http://disneychannelmedianet.com/web/showpage/showpage.aspx?program_id=900086&type=lead has expired. Brauden (talk) 21:52, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2017

Episode 11 - Change title from "Nigel, Dan and Emma" to "Kicking Daisies". Change episode description: Nigel Pilkington, Dan Russell and Emma Tate perform "Somebody That I Used To Know". to: Kicking Daisies perform "Somebody That I Used To Know". Change: Special musical guest: Nigel Pilkington, Dan Russell and Emma Tate To: Special musical guest: Kicking Daisies Morenomark (talk) 12:21, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

References

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Sam Sailor 16:15, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: That's a Google search, not a reliable source. If you can find one that supports the change, I'll be happy to help you format the citation. Either ping me here or drop me a line on my talk page. — Sam Sailor 16:01, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Piped link Mart

In the text for Episode 13, there is a piped link [[Wall-Mart|Mart]]. This works via the redirect at Wall-Mart which is an {{R from misspelling}} (to Walmart), a category that comes with the recommendation to update the incoming link.

WP:NOTBROKEN is moot here, as its advice is only not to replace a redirect with a piped link. It neither says nor implies that piped links to redirects should not be replaced with piped links to articles. This is broken as it is using an incorrect spelling, whether or not that fact is masked by a pipe, and the advice at Category:Redirects from misspellings specifically recommends doing so.

Thanks 94.21.10.121 (talk) 08:15, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

 Done —KuyaBriBri^Talk 15:20, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

An American Disney Channel Original Series?

I know that wording sounds awkward for most of the shows originating from our country, however it should be transfused into "an American sketch comedy television series" rather than "an American Disney Channel original series." Its predecessor (for Nickelodeon) All That's main page will not say something like "an American Nickelodeon original series."

Regards,

69.126.32.189 (talk) 17:15, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: the phrase "an American Disney Channel original series" does not appear in the article. NiciVampireHeart 04:08, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2021

change instances of "Damian" to "Damien" Arsoniel (talk) 01:00, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:18, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Edit RQ on 19 May ‘21

Should the word Disney Channel following American be removed since this show is not an international co-production as in “American Disney Channel sketch comedy series” located in the opening paragraph. It also counts as redundancy.

67.81.161.226 (talk) 23:15, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: The wording is fine. It's an American produced show for the Disney channel. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:56, 19 May 2021 (UTC)