Talk:Social Democratic Union of Macedonia

Great infobox - a shame about the subst:

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! colspan="2" style="text-align: center; font-size: larger;" | '''Social Democratic Union of Macedonia'''<br>Социјалдемократски сојуз на Македонија
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| '''Leader'''
| ''Zoran Zaev''
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| '''Founded'''
| 1990 as a successor of the [[League of Communists of Macedonia]]
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|'''Headquarters'''
| [[Skopje]]
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|'''Political Ideology'''
| [[Social Democracy]],<br>[[Third Way (centrism)|Third Way]]
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|'''International Affiliation'''
| [[Socialist International]]
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|'''European Affiliation'''
| [[Party of European Socialists|PES]] as an associate member
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|'''Colours'''
| Blue, yellow, red
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|'''Website'''
| [http://www.sdsm.org.mk http://www.sdsm.org.mk]
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|'''See also'''
|[[Politics of the Republic of Macedonia]]<br>
[[List of political parties in the Republic of Macedonia|Political parties]]<br>
[[Elections in the Republic of Macedonia|Elections]]
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Needs to go to a prper unsubsted infobox. Rich Farmbrough, 22:37 22 May 2009 (UTC).

Moderators need to stop right-wing propaganda and political spins

If you take a deeper look into the infobox you would notice that there are few things discreetly added to it like "Federalism", "Bilingualism" and "Albanian Minority Rights" and as references there are links from pro-right wing media who fabricated that news as a pre-Election political spin.

Macedonicus (talk) 08:57, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Do you consider the Macedonian Information Agency (MIA) and the Macedonian Information News Agency (MINA) pro-right wing media that fabricate news as a pre-election spin? The content that you've removed belongs in the article as it is and you cannot argue against what really happened and what is documented in the sources. I may present additional sources for verification if you need and these were deliberately selected because they have content in English and it is not a good idea to show all the media that report the same thing. I'm very concerned that presenting the facts as reported in the media is called right-wing propaganda and political spin.--Mastersource (talk) 09:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

As a matter of fact yes I do, they are far from neutral and balanced and so are you. You can present million sources that will claim the same thing but the reality we all know is different than the one presented by these government owned media. I would kindly ask you to step down before I escalate this to some higher instances. Cheers! Macedonicus (talk) 09:51, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

First of all, no offence is intended. If you feel strong and capable of supporting your point, you're going to do it with facts and not with removing content and threats to other users. Second, the facts that we have in the articles are taken from the sources available and not from the personal views of the users. Third and final, if you disregard MIA as medium owned by the government (in fact, it's state-owned), the other presented are all privately owned. Balkan Insight (Balkan Transitional Justice) is not even a Macedonian medium.--Mastersource (talk) 10:06, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

I have reverted the added information on the political ideologies and the paragraphs pertaining to party's recent history primarily because adding similar information often requires better referencing. The use of websites to cite political ideologies is insufficient in my opinion and the citing should be additionally enhanced through books, academic papers and scholarly articles (for instance, please see the referencing of the other two ideologies in the article or the referencing of the political ideologies of VMRO-DPMNE in its article). On the paragraphs about the party's recent history, my opinion is that websites can be used to verify its truthfulness but, considering the sensitivity of the topic amid the parliamentary election in the country at the end of this week, it needs citations from impartial international sources and also neutral representation of the party's response to the accusations. This does not mean that the sources used to verify the content are not accepted on Wikipedia (please note they as citations in other articles) but better quality is needed for the purpose they are supposed to serve in the article. Once these requirements are met, the content can be re-added.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:11, 5 December 2016 (UTC)