Talk:Social media use by Barack Obama/GA1

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Reviewer: Titodutta (talk · contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

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Section 01

Disambiguation links

Fix disambiguation links. I have tagged in the article! --Tito Dutta ✉ 01:06, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

• Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:31, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Number of followers!

As of 12 June 2012, Obama's account ranked 6th in terms of followers with 16,505,044 followers the reference you have added actually odes not verify the statement, since it is an older document, I think editor here has written the number from directly Obama's Twitter profile, that's alright, but, ref 2, in that case is not very helpful! --Tito Dutta ✉ 01:13, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

• Will this matter after a day or two?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:19, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I was suggesting to replace the ref! --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:45, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I have added some refs.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:29, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Screenshot of the profile

Well, will it be possible anyhow to add a screenshot of the profile (in infobox) under fair use? --Tito Dutta ✉ 01:15, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

• I don't understand the question.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I mean, don't you think it'll be better if we add a screenshot of (part of) Obama's Twitter profile somewhere in the article (infobox?), the way we add Facebook, Gmail, Blogeger screenshot! --Tito Dutta ✉ 01:43, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Since other Gaga and Bieber's pages didn't do it, I didn't. I could, but is it necessary?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:52, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Just created a screenshot.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Looking great now! I feel we don't need the full URL in caption of the screenshot, since it is in URL section which is right after it! And add date "Screenshot of Barack Obama's profile on "date"" because he can change theme etc anytime! --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:40, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Also show only Twitter profile, not your Windows XP screen! Crop in MS Paint!--Tito Dutta ✉ 02:46, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I was on my XP machine because it is fullscreen, which shows more tweets at (1600x1200) than my Windows 7 machine which is widescreen (1600x900). I produced an F11 view so that all the excess is hidden and cropped the scrollbar.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:55, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Open the image in MS Paint, Photoshop, Krita any photo editor you have, crop only Twitter screen. There are some good extensions in Firefox, Chrome, but, if you are using Internet Explorer, sorry, I don't know about that browser. Let me know if I can help to upload a new version of the image! --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:03, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I use paint. You mean crop away the background. I think we want to show them what his timeline looks like with the background. Note that there is content in his background including links to other accounts.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:06, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

You have done it, I did not notice. It seems you have taken a new screenshot (in image previously "146 days until election", now it is "145 days until election"). Everything is fine here! --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:16, 13 June 2012 (UTC) --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:16, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Twitter first letter cap or small?

I think there is some confusion. Are you using first letter cap or first letter small in the word "Twitter"?--Tito Dutta ✉ 01:22, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

• Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Infobox

It is not directly related to this GA. But still, since there are multiple articles on "Twitter profiles" now on Wikipedia (and hopefully we'll create few/many more too, can you/anyone create a special infobox for this. Currently you are using Infobox website, but that is not the best choice here, for example "Users 16 million" it is confusing, should be "Follower 16 millions". It is better to write "Account created" than "Launched" etc. --Tito Dutta ✉ 01:22, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

• I have created Wikipedia:Requested_templates#Twitter_user_infobox.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:52, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Section 02

Citation needed

Please add one or two citation in second part of lead. --Tito Dutta ✉ 01:45, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

• Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Date format

Use either DMY or MDY! --Tito Dutta ✉ 01:47, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

• Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:55, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

WP:OVERLINK

Don't link article Obama/Barack Obama in every caption! --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:02, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I thought each WP:CAPTION was suppose to describe its subject?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:40, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but it is creating a minor overlink problem? Do you think readers will need Barack Obama article link everywhere? it is a short article, readers can easily find the link! --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:48, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:26, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Similar problem with Twitter, Town hall etc! Please note, both Town hall and Town hall meeting are linked to same article! CNBC has been linked twice (though I ignored it). There is a script to find duplicate links (though it was not very helpful here) User:Ucucha/duplinks.js --Tito Dutta ✉ 22:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

WP:CAPTIONs are allowed to have redundant links. They are suppose to stand alone and may repeat links from the article and other CAPTIONs. I have removed redundant links of common terms from CAPTIONs, but not all terms.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:04, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Okay! Town hall meeting page is a stub with no reference and almost nothing to read, has been linked thrice. -Tito Dutta ✉ 23:08, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

O.K. delinked Town Hall meeting.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:16, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Image alt

Add image alt in at least 1-2 images. See WP:ALT for help! --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:50, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

• I have added ALT text.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:26, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Launched/Account created

1) Launched: March 5, 2007 @ 16:08:25– I have seen the reference but could not understand are they following (any) US time or UTC like Wikipedia? 2) Also is it necessary to add an @ there before time since we are using @ for Twitter "@ mentions"--Tito Dutta ✉ 02:55, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

1. Not sure about time zone. Likely, either pacific or Twitter user preference (mine is U.S. central).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:03, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
2. removed @.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:03, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Section 03

Following

We have number of followers in article, can you add the number of accounts Barack Obamama'a account following? Obama's account is following more than a half million account. --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:59, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

• Added.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:18, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Number of tweets

Can you include number of tweets? As of June 12, 2012 there are 4,255 tweets in his accounts. If we can create an infobox it'll be easier to add these information! --Tito Dutta ✉ 03:02, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

• Added.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:18, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Ref 11

this article has spelled @WhiteHouse, but in Wikipedia article we have spelled @whitehouse. I don't know if Twitter mentions/tags are case sensitive, but, let's follow the reference! What do you think? --Tito Dutta ✉ 03:06, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

• Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Stat (table/section)

Can you add a stat table/(section) in the article, as it has been done here. We can add stat of every 3 months! Will it be possible? --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:35, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

• That seems very WP:ORish to me. I think we are suppose to cite updated stats as they appear in WP:RS.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:41, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

The article badly needs a stat section/table/at least paragraph. Currently there is no way to learn the basic stats other than reading the full article --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:17, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I have added details regarding numbers to the main body, but I think a table is still WP:OR.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:46, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Still not satisfactory. In infobox there is not sufficient information. One needs to read the whole article to learn basic stats. But, generally if someone curious about someone else's Twitter account, (s)he will want too learn basic stats! --Tito Dutta ✉ 00:40, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

This is not an article about how many followers the president has. It is an article about his broader use of and presence on Twitter. That subject does not give us license to create an OR table. Unless there are WP:RSs that regularly chronicle his totals, we can not create a table.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:33, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Tony. Unless it is verified by a reliable source, it doesn't really belong here. Statυs (talk) 04:36, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, if we can create infobox (section 07 below), that'll be helpful! --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:39, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

As of May 2012 infobox

As of May 2012– what? Is it footnote of number of followers (there is not any star to indicate)? But, in lead you have written stat of June 12! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:37, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

• The asof date is for the data in the infobox. I have updated it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:05, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

In current infobox there is only one thing that will change every month (number of followers), other infos will not change (so frequently)! --Tito Dutta ✉ 21:42, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Aren't we hoping that eventually, they will provide us with two more fields for following and tweets? What change are you suggesting. I think we should leave the asof date. It is important for data that changes continually.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:21, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I am disappointed to see the responses to your template for creation suggestion. I am not very sure if it is going to be created now. So, how we are going to add number of tweets and following in infobox?

I think we can get them to add parameters to the existing template. Be patient.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I have posted against this suggestion. I don't understand why some people are thinking these articles are crap! --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:47, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

It'll be helpful if you can add some blank/custom fields in the template. I am not very experienced on using non-preset fields!--Tito Dutta ✉ 04:25, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't code templates.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:44, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Can not understand properly! If you can add/have extra parameters added in template (as you said above), I feel it'll be better if we can add some not prefixed parameters (modules, labels), I don't know it properly! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:50, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

If you want to retract your statement there we might have a chance, but I think your statement was correct.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Discussed further in section 07 below! --Tito Dutta ✉ 08:13, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Section 04

Controversies

He has been the subject of various controversies on Twitter. – this has been added in article lead, but, the word "controversy" has been used only twice (including this one). And after reading the article, I can not understand those "various controversies". Why don't you make it more clear or create a sub-section (h3) etc? --Tito Dutta ✉ 21:48, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Created a subsection.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:13, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

In controversy sub section, the first think you have written is 2009 account hijack. It was an accident (but controversy)? --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:51, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Anything that results in an FTC settlement is a controversy, IMO.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:19, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

P.S. I have modified the subsection name to be consistent with Gaga and Bieber.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:36, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Image position

Can you put the first image of a section at right side and second image at left side? --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:51, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I am trying to alternate sides with the pictures. Also, if you are viewing at high resolution (I use 1600 pixels wide), swapping sides causes a problem in the page layout.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:57, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Put first image of the section at right side and next image at left side! Generally we read l–r and t–b! Most probably read somewhere in MOS page, the first image of a section should be at right! --Tito Dutta ✉ 00:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Rearranged images per suggestion.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:25, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Similar images

All three images are of July 6, 2011. It seems the article is on "Barack Obama on Twitter on July 06, 2011". --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:53, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Unless there are pictures from May 24, 2012, that is all we have. I will check for May 24, 2012 pictures.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:58, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Added May 24 image.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:25, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Other twitter issues subsection

You are using Twitter (first letter cap). The section title is inappropriate! Can you try to find a better name? --Tito Dutta ✉ 23:56, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:58, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

What do you think of renaming it? --Tito Dutta ✉ 00:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I am open to suggestions.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:26, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Actually there is more stats (Obama's followers, their country, account activity). so, I feel "Other Twitter issues" title is not applicable here! Only "Other issues" (nay, not good suggestion), I'll think on it if you can not find any alternative! --Tito Dutta ✉ 00:38, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Image

File:Obama responding to tweets.jpg– it is not suitable in "Ranking" section! --Tito Dutta ✉ 03:59, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I am merely distributing the pictures since we have several to spread around.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:52, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

In my suggestion delete that image, or move it to infobox (since in this image face of Obama is clearly visible) and delete the infobox image! What do you think? --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I think we should use all the images that we have for now. We can reassess once I try to squeeze a graph in somewhere.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:17, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I think we have all the images in place now. The infobox is working. We have the graph (although it might need some minor adjustments). I don't see why any need to be removed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:24, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Section 05

Graph image

Like Lady Gaga on Twitter article, can you add a graph in the article? --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:01, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

My source only goes back 6 months. I could augment that with data from the prose. I'll see what I can do.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:45, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I have gone through all the sources. Here are the details that I have found in reliable sources: 20091116 2.65, 20100523 4.0, 20110516 7.4, 20110910 10.0, 20120306 12.84. I guess I can make a graph with these datapoints and the current total.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:49, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Although I can create a graph using this data, I feel that it may be trouble to maintain and question its propriety.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:55, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Graph is created and included. I am not sure it isn't WP:OR.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:36, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Can you send me the raw data by email? I'll see, if I can do something! --Tito Dutta ✉ 03:12, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

It is a few lines above 20091116 is in YYYYMMDD format. Use all those data points and the current numbers. That will give you 6 data points.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:07, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't think I'll be able to collect exact data (points) from the chart! --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:48, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I am talking about my comment above made at 06:49, 14 June 2012 (UTC).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I got your ping. The data is above. I will lay it out cleaner for you

20091116 2.65

20100523 4.0

20110516 7.4

20110910 10.0

20120306 12.84--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:42, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

History section renaming

History of an organization or nation etc– I can understand, but "History" of a Twitter profile sounds peculiar! Can you rename it? I have only suggestion at this moment "Timeline ". See if you can think any other alternative. --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:12, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Timeline is not appropriate here, since the Timeline is a specific form of jargon. How about usage history?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:48, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Usage history– not very good– what's about "Profile history" or "Account history"? --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:09, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

This section does not document the history of the account profile, it documents the history of the account usage by Obama.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:14, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Then rename it Account usage history or something similar! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:30, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:43, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

History/Timeline section rewrite

Launched on March 5, 2007 at 16:08:25 – this should be in History/Timeline (at least I as a reader want to see like this (that History section is starting with "the account was created...."), but it is in "Ranking" currently. --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:12, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

rearranged.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:13, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Copyright status

Copyright and category to be added in this image File:20120524 POTUS Tweeting cropped.jpg --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:05, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Copyrighted.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Add category too! And does the source of image reliable enough to prove Obama is tweeting in that image?-Tito Dutta ✉ 05:30, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Category added. The source is the White House photographer's twitter feed linked from an article about the event. Yes it is reliable.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Section 06

Caption

Can you rewrite the caption of File:Kanye-West-grabs-the-mic-2009-vma.jpg this image, don't start with "When"! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:52, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Ref 24 broken

Ref 24 is broken in the article it needs to be corrected! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:09, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

 Fixed by a bot! --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Image position

Change positions of the images, currently it is L-R-L-R. You can change it to R-L-R-L! Currently it is creating indents in the beginning of (first two) sections! --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

The problem with changing is that at high resolution, switching sides for all the images will lead to squeezing down at the top. I moved the blackberries in hand image up a bit, which will eliminate one indent for many medium to low res views.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

We'll see it after adding/revising all images! --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:34, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Fourth

On May 23, 2010 Obama was fourth with about 4 million followers. – Obama was fourth or his account? And fourth in what? Clarification needed! --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:24, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

@BarackObama

administration and @barackobama is for his election campaign staff.– we are writing @BarackObama. --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:26, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Which account 01

The account is "run by #Obama2012 campaign staff. Tweets from the President are signed -bo." Although his staff does most of his tweeting, Obama became active on the account in June 2011, tweeting under his own initials. – Two consecutive sentences with "the account" making it difficult to understand which account? @WhiteHouse or @BarackObama? --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:35, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Which account 02

On January 5, 2009, Obama's campaign account was among several celebrity accounts that was hacked and hijacked. – can you mention in bracket which account – @WhiteHouse or @BarackObama? --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:29, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Section 07 Infobox creation

We have been discussing on having a unique infobox since infobox website is pretty useless here. I am starting a draft of infobox below. I have just added basic data in the infobox, we need to change styles/colours etc.There are lots of options to customize this template, Help me to modify this infobox. --Tito Dutta ✉ 07:26, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

@BarackObama

Barack Obama tweeting in a Twitter Town Hall as Jack Dorsey looks on.
June 13, 2012 screenshot of @BarackObama timeline Replace the image with File:@BarackObama screenshot.jpg
Account created	March 5, 2007 16:08:25
Followers	16.5 million
Following	677,188
Tweets	4,239 tweets
Profile URL	www.twitter.com/BarackObama
As of June 12, 2012

Comments

Part 1

I don't think I would include hacking incidents in the infobox.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, remove it! And add anything else you want! --Tito Dutta ✉ 07:33, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Should we include most accounts followed?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:37, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Your wish! But, I think, this infobox will be better than infobox website. What do you think? --Tito Dutta ✉ 07:51, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Can you make a template from that? Why don't you just swap that in?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:39, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I can not understand this, I did not know about this template, I was searching for an alternative and found it just now! --Tito Dutta ✉ 07:51, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I will ask at WP:RT if someone can help.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:48, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Do we really need another infobox? Since we have found this infobox at last, we can use it directly, what do you think? And note, there is only one fair use rationale in the screenshot file. I thought of replacing the screenshot from this page after completing this part of discussion. Not sure if you can post it in Wikipedia pages! --Tito Dutta ✉ 15:20, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Part 2

• It'll be excellent if we can use light blue (or Twitter blue) in header background! what do you think? See if you can do it in template! --Tito Dutta ✉ 07:51, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I have done it, but not sure about exact Twitter blue, you can change the header colour! --Tito Dutta ✉ 07:59, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

• What's about adding a Twitter bird (small – 20 px or something) somewhere in infobox? What do you think? --Tito Dutta ✉ 15:29, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
• I have added footnote bgcolor. You can remove/change it --Tito Dutta ✉ 15:43, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I really like the idea of creating an infobox specifically for Twitter accounts. I was going to suggest this earlier, but never got the change to do it. It should certainly include the Twitter bird in there somewhere. Statυs (talk) 03:11, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to this review! For some personal reasons Tony will not be able to participate in this for next 1 day. Hope to see him back in this review soon. Currently, I am not sure where to add this Twitter bird . Feel free to change the code of the infobox draft above --Tito Dutta ✉ 03:37, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

This will be made into a separate template, right? So it won't just be its own adjusted coding on each page? Statυs (talk) 03:53, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if a separate template will be created, since the suggestion to create a template has not got good supports! We may need to use this infobox directly in the article copying code from here! The infobox looks good now, but, you have removed the second image! We can add the Twitter bird somewhere else to in infobox, what do you think? --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:00, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

See the discussion here: Wikipedia:Requested_templates#Twitter_user_infobox and what's about placing the screenshot first and then the Twitter bird (50px) below it? --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:04, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I have encountered feelings about this articles; but that's irrelevant. As a constant template-creator, I can give you a hand on the template code of you wish. And i think the bird might go at the top of the infobox. —Hahc21 04:45, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to this review! Readers will be confused what we are trying to do here actually! GA review or template creation or what. (joking :-D) Yes, if we can create a separate infobox template, that's ll be excellent. See Wikipedia:Requested_templates#Twitter_user_infobox. I do not have any opinion on the position of Twitter bird, but, I want an alternative of infobox website for these articles! Can you create an infobox template? --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:56, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. I checked Wikipedia:Requested_templates#Twitter_user_infobox and seemed that everyone were picking a fight instead of answering the request. I'll work on a template for Twitter =). —Hahc21 05:01, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Section 08 Status' code

{{Infobox Twitter account
| Username = Test
| Image = example.jpg
| Image_size = 250px
| Caption = Screenshot of @BarackObama
| Created = Date
| Followers = Number
| Following = Number
| Tweets = Number
| Updated = June 12, 2012
}}

Status has made some changes in codes. The infobox looks much better now! --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:30, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and created the template here: {{Infobox Twitter account}} Feel free to make any adjustments you find fit. Statυs (talk) 05:01, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Good job! —Hahc21 05:03, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! First time doing a template and it went pretty well! I've added it to the article. I think it looks very hot! Statυs (talk) 05:05, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Infobox templates are very easy to make, since they all rely on the main template, so no parser functions are needed. Anyway, it's very pretty and elegant —Hahc21 05:07, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey, one more parameter needs to be added– Current status– active/stopped using Twitter etc! --Tito Dutta ✉ 12:25, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Is that really necessary? If it comes the time that it is needed, then it can be added, but seeing as how all the articles about Twitter accounts are active, I see no need. Statυs (talk) 19:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't know about the above request, but I think it is necessary to have two image-receptive parameters.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

What exactly would be the use of two images? Statυs (talk) 03:23, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

In this case as above. In some cases, it could be a logo and a screenshot. For example, suppose there was a CNN on Twitter page (which might be logical considering they are 2 of the top 100 in terms of followers and a former worldwide follower leader), the Logo would be one use and the screenshot would be the other. In this case, the original lead image and the screenshot.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:19, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you mean. I have no idea what-so-ever how to add a second image field, so feel free to do that one on your own. Statυs (talk) 06:18, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I will ask for help at the help desk and failing that I will ask the creators of individual templates that accept two image parameters one by one.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:48, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

All done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Section 09

White House

"Twitter Presents Townhall @ the White House"

• Delete the space (i.e. @WhiteHouse)!
  • That is an official title--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:43, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
• Change ref order, currently it is [30][13], make it [13][30]. --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:44, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Public forums

Obama has at various times held public forums in which he fielded questions posted on Twitter.

• What is public forums? --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  • That is an introductory sentence to a paragraph that explains the point. I am not sure what the issue is here.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:37, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Formerly

• The account formerly held the record for following the most people.
  • That sentence is double reffed and explained in the subsequent sentence.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:41, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
• It formerly followed the most people of any account on the network and was the third to achieve 10 million followers.

–"formerly"–when? --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

That is an introductory and general sentence from the WP:LEAD. It is clarified in the main body.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:42, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Relative_time_references MOS suggests to avoid it! --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks ("formerly" removed).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

World leaders

@BarackObama was followed by 7.4 million people, including 28 world leaders

• Can you mention one or two names which world leaders were following Obama's account? --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  • The source is silent.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Expected to have

Twitter is expected to have a modest but growing role in his political campaign.

• Umm, who expects so? --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  • That is a general statement for the WP:LEAD with further detail in the main body.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:38, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

The reference you have added there they have not used the word. Add 2012 campaign as it was mentioned in the reference, and try to avoid the word "expected" unless you can clearly say–who expects so? Obama? His administration? Any news channel? --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

How is it now?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Good work! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:20, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Section 10

Robo guess

The hacker robo-guessed the password of a Twitter administrator's account gaining access to other accounts

• What is robo-guessing? See if we have any article on information on this in Wikipedia, link it! --Tito Dutta ✉ 06:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Chart

Decrease image size (350px >>250px) align right! --Tito Dutta ✉ 02:25, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I set it to go to default.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:39, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I moved this back to the left in anticipation of 2nd infobox image being restored.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:42, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Making it difficult to read! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:06, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Now that the infobox is fixed, it should be obvious that the graph can not go on the right.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:49, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Account hijack

You can find some information here–

1. Man hacked into Obama Twitter site
2. HACKERS BREAK INTO OBAMA'S TWITTER ACCOUNT --Tito Dutta ✉ 03:11, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

What do those sources have that the refs in the article do not.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

I am not so keen on those sources because they are not very prominent periodicals from the American perspective.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Tweeting questions

Is this image File:Twitter Town Hall audience.jpg really important? If not remove this image! All I can understand in this image–some people have cell phones in hand! --Tito Dutta ✉ 04:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Have you ever seen a Presidential press conference where all the questions were asked via BlackBerry. Hell yes, it is important for this article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:03, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Does it mean, a reader needs to see a Presidential press conference first before reading the article? :) --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:06, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

This is a Wikipedia:WikiProject Internet culture article. That picture is extremely important in terms of that perspective. In terms of politics, the picture might be unimportant, but this article is a statement on the degree to which the internet has become mainstream. That picture demonstrates that technology has now advanced to the point of Presidential press conferences being held by BlackBerry.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:12, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

You can add this page http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/07/07/president-obama-twitter-town-hall-economy-jobs-deficit-and-space-exploration as a reference in caption! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:18, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

That page is already referenced in the picture credits page (click on the image).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Succeeded by & Preceded by

• I am interested to learn, how do you find out these information?
  • You have to stumble upon the right articles, which means you are at the mercy of WP:RS to provide the information. Sometimes it works (see Ashton Kutcher on Twitter).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:04, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

It is not clear, how these "succeed" "preceded" information are found out! Was that account created right after Obama's account? --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:14, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Succession boxes are a common form of presenting encyclopedic content regarding titleholders on WP. They even have their own WikiProject. What is your point? Are you saying you are not familiar with succession boxes.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:26, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

• Currently one is redlink, another is "information unknown", is not very helpful? -Tito Dutta ✉ 04:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
  • WP is always a work in progress. I try not to change how I approach each individual fact with this in mind, in general. With a BLP, there are always concerns about how omissions may impact the person and in this case change the course of history. However, at most, I think we could delink the redlinks (if necessary). I think the succession boxes should stay. If Obama's army gets involved in the editing of the article, there is a good chance the information may be found.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:08, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Final assessment

This is a very well written article on a difficult subject. The editor(s) have done an excellent job. I'll take some more time before doing the final assessment (will not be more than 24–48 hours) --Tito Dutta ✉ 03:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

The current version is a good article, good work! –Tito Dutta ✉ 07:16, 22 June 2012 (UTC)