Talk:Sociotechnical system

Wikification

Wikified as part of the Wikification wikiproject! JubalHarshaw 15:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Very good start on the wikification.

Suggestions

Change the title to Sociotechnical systems and make this a section, or make two separate articles. While there are probably several hundred articles and a lesser number of books using the phrase Sociotechnical systems theory, there is a larger literature of perhaps a few thousand scholarly articles on Sociotechnical systems. There are many theories of sociotechnical systems, not just one as described here. Moreover, there are many things to say about sociotechnical systems that do not quite fit in a "Sociotechnical systems theory" article.

Bbbozzz 07:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't quiet understand what you mean here? - Mdd 00:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Links that could be added

I think this topic could easily be referenced in the following articles:

• cybernetics
• complex systems
• social network
• feedback

Bbbozzz 07:18, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Good plan, let's just do that - Mdd 00:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the suggestion from Bbbozzz - this article should simply be entitled Sociotechnical systems. Significant work has taken place in this area since the term was first used 40 years ago. You could then have a section entitled "Theory" under the main article heading entitled "Sociotechnical systems."

Debmcneely - July 3, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Debmcneely (talk • contribs) 17:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I also agree with Bbbozzz. There is a great deal of current work on designing sociotechnical systems that is only peripherally related to the theory work cited in this section. I think Theory should be a subtopic under a main article on Sociotechnical Systems JMacCambridge (talk) 20:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Unrelated articles

I removed the following list of unrelated articles from the further reading section. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 21:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

• Beekun, R. I., Assessing the effectiveness of sociotechnical interventions: Antidote or fad?, in: Human Relations, 42(10), 877-897, 1989.
• Bertalanffy, L. v., The theory of open systems in physics and biology, in: Science, 111, 23-29, 1950.
• Cummings, T. G., Molloy, E. S. & Glen, R., A methodological critique of fifty-eight selected work experiments, in: Human Relations, 30(8), 675-708, 1977.
• Pasmore, W., Francis, C., Haldeman, J. & Shani, A, Sociotechnical systems: a North American reflection on empirical studies of the seventies, in: Human Relations, 35(12), 1179-1204, 1982.
• Ritzer, G., The McDonaldization of society, London: Pine Forge Press, 1993.
• Ropohl, G., Philosophy of socio-technical systems, in: Society for Philosophy and Technology, 4(3), 1999. On-Line article accessed on 11th August 2006.
• Scott, R., Organizations; Rational, natural, and open systems, New Jersey: Prentice Hall, 1992.
• Walker, G.H., Stanton, N. A., Young, M. S., Jenkins, D. & Salmon, P. Review of the knowledge base: Sociotechnical systems in NEC design. in: Human Factors Integration Defence Technology Centre , 2007.

Suggestions

Several of my colleagues and I have reviewed both this article and the one at Sociotechnical systems theory. They appear to significantly overlap. We suggest you roll this article into Sociotechnical systems theory and delete this article to cut down on duplication on Wikipedia. Also, the correct spelling for sociotechnical does not contain a hyphen.

A final suggestion is that the article entitled Sociotechnical systems theory should be simply called Sociotechnical systems, as this term has been more broadly applied since it was first used 40 years ago. Debmcneely (talk • contribs) 17:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I have put your first suggestion into action by suggesting a merge. For further discussion, see here. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 20:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Merge with Socio-technical systems

The first comment here is copied here from Talk:Socio-technical systems#Suggestions

Several of my colleagues and I have reviewed both this article and the one at Sociotechnical systems theory. They appear to significantly overlap. We suggest you roll this article into Sociotechnical systems theory and delete this article to cut down on duplication on Wikipedia. Also, the correct spelling for sociotechnical does not contain a hyphen.

A final suggestion is that the article entitled Sociotechnical systems theory should be simply called Sociotechnical systems, as this term has been more broadly applied since it was first used 40 years ago. Debmcneely (talk • contribs) 17:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I have taken some action:

1. I have put your first suggestion into action by suggesting a merge.
2. Your second suggestion means to rename (or just move) this article to Sociotechnical systems.

I agree on the first step, but have to think about the second. Now we should wait a while (at least a week or two) to see if there are any other response. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 20:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I combined both steps and merged this article in the Sociotechnical systems article. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 09:03, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Copy-paste registration

• In this edit text is copy/pasted here from the Socio-technical systems, Job enrichment, Job enlargement, Job rotation, Motivation, Process improvement, Task analysis, and work design articles.

-- Mdd (talk) 00:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

What about Enid Mumford - have you airbrushed her out!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.16.204 (talk) 12:56, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Responsible Autonomy questions

• In practice [4] this requires groups to be responsible for their own internal regulation and supervision, with the primary task of relating the group to the wider system falling explicitly to a group leader. This principle, therefore, describes a strategy for removing more traditional command hierarchies.

Isn't groups with a single leader handling communication up the chain of command the cornerstone of "traditional command hierarchies"? I'm confused here 90.231.60.187 (talk) 00:23, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Moved as requested Mike Cline (talk) 11:12, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

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Sociotechnical systems → Sociotechnical system — Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:56, 1 February 2012 (UTC) per WP:SINGULAR Jojalozzo 21:55, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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What's the difference between Sociotechnical system and Sociotechnology?

I am writing a stub on sociotechnology and I wonder if this term is just another name for "sociotechnical system design"? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 18:22, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Article Evaluation

I read the article and found myself very confused. This article seems to be about Sociotechnical Theory, rather than Sociotechnical Systems. How does the system pertain to the theory and vice versa? My full evaluation can be found here: User:Emily M Hoffman/Evaluate an Article Thanks. -- Emily M Hoffman (talk) 04:57, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

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Pamphlet lead

The current lead conclusion (sentences expanded into paras):

Sociotechnical theory is about joint optimization, with a shared emphasis on achievement of both excellence in technical performance and quality in people's work lives.

Sociotechnical theory, as distinct from sociotechnical systems, proposes a number of different ways of achieving joint optimisation.

They are usually based on designing different kinds of organisation, ones in which the relationships between socio and technical elements lead to the emergence of productivity and wellbeing.

The problem here is that this blurf explains nothing much, and comes at the expense of the lead summarizing the article, as it really ought to do. — MaxEnt 22:03, 21 April 2021 (UTC)