Talk:Solresol

Example

Am I the only who thinks that it wouldbe intresting to hear some basic phrases sung? 91.153.52.17 21:15, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

How is Solresol spoken? I are there defacto ways? is pitch absolute or relative?

(Reply to above) I think pitch is relative, since it's based on solfege (i.e. key doesn't matter). Kind of like, instead of "a b c# d" you might just have "do re mi fa" instead. Don't think it's actually "spoken" much anymore, though... Weien 08:18, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Solfege doesn't necessarily mean that key doesn't matter. There are two schools of solfege: movable and fixed do. In the former, key doesn't matter, but in the latter, do is always a C. PatrickNiedzielski (talk) 02:53, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

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Eco 1993 gives 1827, not 1817, as the date for the beginning of Solresol's creation. The only early book I can find mention of was published in 1866, but Eco says Soudre "worked forty-five years perfecting his language", won a 10K franc prize in 1855, and a gold medal at the London Exposition in 1862 - so obviously he had been publicizing the language for some years before the book was published. Does anyone know where the date 1817 comes from, or if it's just a typo? If the language was "finished" in 1866, that "45 years" implies he started about 1821. --Jim Henry 21:18, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I am one of the really rare persons to have the book from 1866. I did read that different small editions did maked. But really small. The reason can be, that Sudre did try all the time a/ to perfect his language and b/ to find a real good buyer (the Army!). And he did dead before he did have success! His wife did publish the language after he died. It is possible that she did have problems to find money to edit the complete work (it is an very expensiv matter because of the printing of musical notes!) and that can be the reason of the divers little editions. - oui 18:26, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

1866?

Gajewski's book says that Sudre died in 1862. How could he possibly publish anything in 1866? Alex Kapranoff 15:11, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

Hi, his wife did that! The book answer the question! - oui 18:26, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

This needs to be clarified, I cannot reach that source right now, but maybe I could take your word for it... :) Furthermore, the article about François Sudre says he invented the sudrophone, and in that article it says it was patented in 1892, and that he lived 1844-1912. Probably a mix-up, but needs to be fixed with sources. --90.129.3.82 (talk) 14:26, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

numbers

Is there a way to say, write, whatever "zero" in solresol?

I can't find "zero" specifically, but perhaps one is meant to use "Lado", which means "Nothing". —Preceding unsigned comment added by GammaAlphaRho (talk • contribs) 23:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Just thought I'd note that lado is only "nothing" according to Gajewski's version of Solresol. In Sudre's original documentation, lado is "yesterday". Soldo is the word for "nothing" according to Sudre. On page 288 / 308 of the PDF scan of Sudre's original publication of Solresol, you will see the word "Zéro"; the French word for zero, corresponding to "soldo" with no accentuation. Greatscotteh (talk) 10:22, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Moved from body

Please look at the text in Interlingue and actualize this text! Thank you! -

- User:Oui (moved by Deltabeignet)

Classification of Ideas

• The whole thing about classification of ideas is wrong. While there is a classification of ideas, it is only limited to four syllable words. -Rex Imperator

Actually, according to page 22 and 23 / 308 of the PDF that is the scanned version of the original publication by Sudre, you will see every word length pertains to a specific category or classification. Greatscotteh (talk) 10:28, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Resource for expanding the article

I have found this Grammar. I have no time, but it has a lot of information which could be added to this article. EoinMahon (talk) 11:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

That's my translation of Gajewski's original text. I can make the translation and the original available to anyone who's interested; I'm not sure the original is still available online. Ansric (talk) 21:48, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Lexical error

This article perpetuates a "correction" that changes original "si" to "ti." (This is why "yes" was originally "si.") Sudre's and Gajewski's texts have "si" throughout. Ansric (talk) 21:41, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I noticed this too, and changed the table to read "si" instead of "ti", because in all the sources I could find on Solresol, "si" was always used. If it should be corrected, then the title of the language should be "Soreso" because we don't use "sol" anymore either - we use "so" instead. Unfortunately the picture can't be changed to say "si" unless someone can use an image editing tool and fix it maybe? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GammaAlphaRho (talk • contribs) 23:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Sarus link?

The link to Sarus (language) is a redirect to an animator with no context or explanation. Either we need to explain that relationship, or remove this link, it would seem. 128.170.224.10 (talk) 17:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Bug: Sol-Si sounds as Do-Mi sounds as Fa-La

See? Sol-Si would be a 3rd Major, as Do-Mi and as Fa-La, so at the start of a conversation it would be quite confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eddygp (talk • contribs) 11:44, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Examples, speaking/singing

Looking at this[1], I think the subject should be resumed. It would be nice to hear an example of someone speaking/singing Solresol. And the article is missing exactly how Solresol would have been employed most commonly, and how employed by differently disabled people.Djathinkimacowboy ^{vandals' playground} 05:43, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Perfect pitch required?

Wouldn't you need perfect pitch to communicate in this language? (Unless a tonic is established before 'speaking' and every speaker has great relative pitch) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.149.8.201 (talk) 22:48, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Answer is no. You would not even need relative pitch.--Djathinkimacowboy 22:53, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I think the way that one editor jumps in to give a really helpful answer to another editor's query is really heartwarming (I don't know the answer myself, unfortunately). EEng (talk) 01:50, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Good! Thank you for that.-Djathinkimacowboy 04:20, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Please tell me you knew I was kidding. EEng (talk) 05:40, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I will. That is, if you will tell me you're not such a gargantuan jerk that this type of shenanigans is all you have to offer Wikipedia. Frankly I can do without you and your shenanigans.-Djathinkimacowboy 08:03, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I apologize for the irony -- ok, sarcasm -- of my original post, but really, if you're sure, as you seem to be, that neither perfect nor relative pitch would be needed, can't you say a bit about why? I'm not questioning your original answer, but I'd really like to know why this would be, and I think so would the original poster. Thanks. EEng (talk) 15:37, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

It was kind of me to reply at all. I'm busy and not an admin. Do your own homework, 'dudes'. I edit here on occasion, I'm not Dr. Einstein the Know-It-All. Solresol is simple because you need only establish the working scale you'll be using with the other person. Even going in eyes closed, you can catch on easily because the syntax is well fixed. God's sake, read the damned article!-Djathinkimacowboy 21:17, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

And how even more kind of you to further deign to enlighten us, futile as it was (for me, anyway, though I have indeed read the article)! In future I recommend you omit the clarification that you're not an admin and not an Einstein, as there's little danger of anyone confusing you with either. EEng (talk) 05:19, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Question about an assertion early in the article

There is a sentence early on:"The teaching of sign languages to the deaf was discouraged between 1880 and 1991 in France, contributing to Solresol's descent into obscurity. " What does this mean, in context? What doees sign language for the deaf have to do with a music-based constructed language? Ritaxis (talk)Ritaxis —Preceding undated comment added 04:16, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Presumably refers to "hand gestures etc." in the next section, though it's not too clear... AnonMoos (talk) 19:07, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

It really comes out of nowhere. It should be rephrased or removed, because as is it just makes me want to quit reading the article and go do something else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.114.146.117 (talk) 12:57, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

I believe they were referring to the fact that signed languages (ASL, LSF, etc.) were not taught to those who were deaf, but instead the language spoken by the hearing in that particular country (English, French, etc.). Here is the relevant block of text from the Wikipedia page "French Sign Language":

"From this time French Sign Language flourished until the late 19th century when a schism developed between the manualist and oralist schools of thought. In 1880 the Milan International Congress of Teachers for the Deaf-Mute convened and decided that the oralist tradition would be preferred. In due time the use of sign language was treated as a barrier to learning to talk and thus forbidden from the classroom.

This situation remained unchanged in France until the late 1970s, when the deaf community began to militate for greater recognition of sign language and for a bilingual education system. In 1991 the National Assembly passed the Fabius law, officially authorising the use of LSF for the education of deaf children. A law was passed in 2005 fully recognising LSF as a language in its own right." (the two last paragraphs of the History section) Greatscotteh (talk) 10:38, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

References

Ses system needs reference

In the article the following is stated: "Another way of using Solresol is called ses, and was developed by George Boeree." But no reference is provided. Did George Boeree really created that further development on Solresol? --87.222.104.154 (talk) 10:41, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

sidosi.org defunct

The sidosi.org link, which presumably used to be a Solresol speaker community organization, is no longer that -- it seems to be an online casino in some Austronesian language? Can someone who knows something about the Solresol community replace that footnote with some other links to a Solresol community or better yet, a secondary source talking about the present-day Solresol community? --Jim Henry (talk) 17:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

There is STILL this casino site at sidosi.org. It's September now. All the sidosi.org-links are still in the article. After 6 months. Please: an editor should delete these links. 188.194.147.214 (talk) 15:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)