Talk:Somebody's Leavin'

Prod

@Oblivy: I thought it was against prod policy to reinstate a prod that has been removed under any circumstances. Cunard raised the issue at ArbCom as to whether me de-prodding violates my topic ban; so far, the discussion seems to have gone around in circles and fizzled out without a clear consensus either way. I'm certainly not going to touch the prod tag now, regardless.

I think my additions prove that the song meets WP:NSONGS now, as a #1 hit on a major chart (RPM Country Tracks is considered one of the more major charts for notability; it's not like this is on Top Dance Songs That Were Only Played on a Tuesday or some Z-string chart like that), the nomination for a major award, and a song caught up in controversy over a network ban. Do you think it's notable now? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 05:27, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

It strikes me as absurd that a person who was barred from participating in deletion discussions (broadly construed) AND from closing XfD's which includes PROD could close a PROD and then say it blocks any re-proposal. To wit:

any objection kills the PROD procedure, and anyone may object as long as the PROD tag is present

If you are objecting are you discussing? If you're deleting the tag are you closing (killing)? Objecting to the re-addition of the prod was discussing. OK, maybe you thought this was OK when you did it the first time, but you got called out for it once so why are you back at it again?

I agree the major award should be enough, if it was supported by non-trivial coverage. I can't access your two newspapers.com articles. The billboard article is minimal coverage. There's a CNN article, "Truce Declared in the Canadian Country War" that is minimal coverage. So no, I don't see it meeting WP:NSONGS unless both of the newspaper articles (including one with a headline about Shania Twain...) have some weight to them. Oblivy (talk) 06:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

The only thing I was definitely warned about so far was not saying "this article should go to XFD/prod" and suggesting that others do it for me. The current discussion about whether or not my actions constitute violation of a topic ban seems to have fizzled out. I did not ask you or anyone else to remove the prod, nor try to re-remove it when you put it back on (although I can see how me removing it under any circumstances is dubious -- but again, there doesn't yet seem to be a consensus on whether or not I'm allowed to at all). Am I not allowed to do anything at all if I think a prod is un-warranted? Is me improving the article and making sure you notice my improvements "discussing"? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 06:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

If I were you I'd WP:DROPTHESTICK. Yes, your ability to influence deletions has been severely constrained. You can improve the article (which you did, and I restored your changes) Oblivy (talk) 06:40, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

So if I think a prod is bogus, I'm just supposed to sit there helplessly, hoping and praying the article doesn't get swept away because no one cared enough to notice my attempts at improvement? That doesn't seem fair even within the restrictions of my topic ban. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 06:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)