Talk:Songs in the Key of Life

Is there a reason to have an "Influence" section?

I would like to erase this as I believe is irrelevant to the article. The album inspired untold amount of artists and this section may not be necessary after all. "(American singer/songwriter Liz Phair based her 2005 release Somebody's Miracle on this album)". I will delete if no one objects (With a reason) by 7/10/07. Jrod2 16:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

We can not assume what a reader may or may not know, if the album is influential it is necessary to state so. Look at articles assessed by other contributors as "good" for other acclaimed and legendary albums, the albums and artists it influenced are all there. Why erase it? I'm glad to see the section was never deleted. UniversalBread (talk) 02:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

good section. nicely laid out actually as long as references are there to prove the authenticy of the info. Kilnburn (talk) 16:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

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Stars

I moved this comment from the article:

why do people keep lying about the album rating, it was 'not rated' not 5 stars, who keeps putting in false ratings, i keep seeing them in tons of articles, including this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.240.183.167 (talk • contribs)

(John User:Jwy talk) 13:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Grammy Award

From the article: "The album won a Grammy Award for Best Male Pop Vocal and Album of the Year".
IMHO it's worth mentioning on the 1st paragraph. Maybe something like "Songs in the Key of Life is a Grammy-winning album by Stevie Wonder,...". What do you think? Thanks 217.132.40.228 (talk) 19:17, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Critical reception - Elton John

From this section: "Elton John called Songs in the Key of Life the best album ever made.".
Wouldn't this require an inline citation? Thanks 217.132.40.228 (talk) 19:22, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

circucular reference

"pastime paradise" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.202.60 (talk) 00:00, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

No Hit Left Behind

Many people know the song "Pastime Paradise" and although it wasn't a single, it was covered by many artists and also had a lot of radio airplay. This song had parodies of it such as "Gangsta Paradise" and "Amish Paradise" that have their own articles. In this case isn't it only fair for the original to have an article? Opinions? --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 00:09, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Here are some good sources for the article

Here is a place where people can place sources. There is a remarkably good documentary here in seven clips that is not only really, really interesting, but gives references and insight to Stevie Wonder and each of the musicians he hand-picked to work on his pioneering album, Songs in the Key of Life. It shows the various groundbreaking techniques that were used (many that can't be heard on this concept album without listening very carefully), and has lots of quotes from people who contributed (like Herbie Hancock) and others, like Quincy Jones, Berry Gordy, and other more contemporary artists. It names all the performers who were the core group working on the album, and the detail that is discussed and shown, creating this album, also, would be outstanding for the album page, and the Stevie Wonder article, too. In sections, they are here: [1],[2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]. I think I'll copy this note to the biography talk page, but for any editor, the info here is essential to grasping Stevie's willlingness to experiment with new musical territory. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 15:57, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Stop creating more song articles!!!!!!

"Sir Duke", "I Wish", "As", and "Another Star" all have articles because they're charting singles. "Isn't She Lovely" and "Pastime Paradise" have articles because they huge radio-hits whom have a multitude of covers. "Black Man shouldn't have an article, but the wikipedia process of deletion resulted in a keep even though it's article is 4 sentences without a chance of expansion. I redirected the unreferenced "Knocks Me Off My Feet" because it was uncited and just doesn't need an article and neither does any song on this album except for the core 6 I bolded above.

If anyone wants to help, don't make any new song articles for this album, but instead either improve "Black Man" or nominate it for second deletion (I'm not sure if I'm allowed to do it twice) I'll back you up. Mrmoustache14 (talk) 18:35, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Now that "Knocks Me Off My Feet" has been rationalized, cited, and expanded I realize it's notable. "Black Man" still isn't. Mrmoustache14 (talk) 19:01, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

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This article is hagiography, not honest appraisal. I suspect it was written by the PR dept at the record company.

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Fun Fact

Did you know that the instrumental 'Contusion' was first performed in Funkyfied Rainbow - Live at The Rainbow Theatre in 1973? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrakd002.302 (talk • contribs) 14:35, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

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Suggestion

Would it be noteworthy to add that Blackstreet covered Love’s in Need of Love Today?

I don’t believe that the J.S. Bach quotation is actually true

This article claims that Pastime Paradise samples “its first eight notes” from Bach’s Well Tempered Clavier Prelude in C Minor, and it even has a reference to this claim in Rolling Stone magazine, but I think it should be taken out because this is just patently untrue if you listen to both pieces.

The linked article’s author appears to have been mistaken, he cites no source of his own, and the only similarity is that both use simple melodies in C harmonic minor. 2601:89:C600:2156:28EE:77E2:749D:1DB8 (talk) 02:29, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Avant-Pop?

"Avant-Pop" is listed as a genre for this album, but there is only one citation to The Brooklyn Rail. Is this sufficient evidence to classify the album as such? More citations aren't needed for R&B, soul, pop, etc. because everyone agrees the album includes these genres, but I'm skeptical about avant-pop. Monumentalmahogany (talk) 05:05, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

The cited source is a Yale music professor, so you'll have to admit that's a pretty authoritative source for music genres. However, there are two angles to consider. The first is that the cited article is a pop culture list of avant pop music, and these types of articles very often include more stuff than they would if they were following strict scholarly criteria. The second angle is that the avant pop label is an outlier; the literature generally labels the album as various genres but avant pop is not among them except for the Yale professor's article. We should be summarizing the literature for the reader, and avant pop disappears from a fair summary because it only shows up one time. The avant pop genre can be mentioned in the article body, but it should not appear in the infobox. Binksternet (talk) 05:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)