Talk:Sophia Palaiologina

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Name

Should not it be Sophia Palaeologus instead of Sophia Paleologue? The dynasty's name in latin is Palaeologus in all documents. Seems like current name is just thansliteration of the translation of the name in Russian. Compay 22:23, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Bullshit. Latin is irrelevant: the article is about Greek princess and Russian tsarina. She should be Sofia Palaiologina, which is her Greek name. The traditional English rendition is Sophia Paleologue, alas. --Ghirlandajo 22:25, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Sophia seems to be Russian. Her Greek name was (apparently) Zoe Palaiologina. I've added this as a redirect. Valentinian ^(talk) 21:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

First to introduce?

"It is thought that she was the first to introduce the Kremlin to grand Byzantine ceremonies and meticulous etiquette." Huh? Russia had close relations with Byzantine for centuries. Olga, the ruler of Kiev Russia back in X Century was baptized in Constaninopol... Do I miss something? --24.17.211.12 07:21, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Well Olga was from Kiev, and the Kremlin is in Moscow, so technically Sophia was the first to introduce Byzantine customs to Moscow; not to Russia. That argument however, doesn't really stand...But maybe that's what the author of that sentence meant? Ryan 04:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Guys, you really need to read up on the issue. The double-headed eagle, the idea of Moscow as the Third Rome, the title of caesar for a Russian sovereign - it all dates from Ivan's marriage to Sophia. There are volumes written on her uncommon haughtiness, on her insistence that Byzantine court ceremonies be adopted in Russia, on her promotion of crafty Byzantine intrigues at court, etc, etc. --Ghirla | talk 10:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I've read up on the issue, thank you, but what I wrote wasn't quite what I meant. I meant that, even though Russia had been in contact with the Byzantine court for centuries, it took the marriage of Sophia to Ivan for the Russians to adopt Byzantine court culture in and of itself and what it entailed. She may not have been the first to intoduce Byzantium to Russia, but she certainly had one of the biggest impacts on it. I hope I've made my point clear :-) Ryan 03:42, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Read more about culture of Russia.Russians had already adopted much of Byzantine culture in 9-10 centuries,including orthodox religion,alphabite,icon art,church construction,and much more.

Frank Russian (talk) 17:24, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, the ancestor of modern Russia(the Duchy of Moscow)has been under the Mongol Yoke for more than two centuries, (the level of its impact on Russia is debatable, however, the mutual integration took place one way or another), hence Byzantium was reintroduced to the Muscovites. And, secondly, Zoe was brought up in Rome, not in Byzantium, and possibly all those intrigues and haughtiness were of Latin but not Greek origin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.85.69.122 (talk) 17:40, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Ivan II not Ivan III

Under marriages and children this article claims "Eudoxia Ivanovna (1492 – 1513); married Peter (born Kudaikul), son of Ibrahim, Khan of Kazan. Had issue, one daughter: Anastasia Petrovna, wife of Fyodor Mstislavsky, and later of Vasily 'Nemoy' Shuisky. Through her daughter, Anastasia Petrovna, wife of Prince Fyodor Mikhailovich Mstislavsky, Eudoxia is the ancestor of all living members of the House of Galitzin, and of Prince Rostislav Romanov and his siblings."

Sophia Palaiologina has no living descendants- her line died out in the 1600's. The ancestor of the Galitzine family and Prince Rostislav Romanoff is Ivan II of Moscow and his wife Aleksandra Vasilievna Veliaminova. Their granddaughter Anna of Moscow married Prince Yury Patrikeievich, and they are the ancestors of the Galitzines. Also, the sources listed do not show Sophia Palaiologina as the ancestor of the Galitzines. I would like to remove this from the article and have provided below sources that prove my point. Thoughts?

https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00295162&tree=LEO.

http://w.genealogy.euweb.cz/russia/rurik15.html.

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/RUSSIA,%20Rurik.htm#_Toc481496241. 2600:8800:2191:2400:756A:32E5:9B62:89CE (talk) 16:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)