Talk:Soulcalibur (video game)

Storyline

Is anyone familiar with the storyline? Not the story of the gameplay, but the plot of the game. I would be very grateful if someone could elaborate on the basics of the conflict a bit. I needed to know what the over all plot of these games is, and i wouldn't mind an in game pov, but of course others will, so if someone could give that information, I would be very grateful.

Tachi

In order to prevent an edit war over Yoshimitsu's weapon, I have decided to explain the situation of the term "tachi" with regards to his sword. It is not unheard of for Namco to release basic biographical information that is needlessly ambiguous, mysterious or even misleading. Many of these instances, however, can easily be overcome with basic detective work. Yoshimitsu's "katana" is one such example of this type of misleading information. You see, while the word katana may refer to a specific type of sword, it can also be a general moniker for any sword made in that Japanese longsword style. And while Namco assigns the moniker "katana" to Yoshimitsu's basic biography, they neglect to take into account that the Soul Calibur II weapon gallery feature disclaims Yoshimitsu's blade as a specific katana when it writes that his sword is one that is no longer used in Japan. Instead, there is much to indicate that his sword is, instead, a tachi. The tachi is the Japanese sword that predates the specific katana, and interestingly enough, the shift from the use of tachis to katanas among samurai in the Japanese military occurred sometime in the seventeenth century, right around the time that the Soul Series takes place. He also wears the sword in a different way than Mitsurugi, and the two specific weapons were each worn in a different way. That being said, the reason the sword of Yoshimitsu from Tekken is labeled as a "katana" is that while there is certainly reason to believe that the generic katana is the same one that Soul Calibur Yoshimitsu uses, there is no concrete proof, and thus it must be labeled "katana" in the chance that they are different swords. If you see it incorrectly labeled, it is kindly asked that you restore it to its correct state. Thank you for your understanding.

In reference to character's changed names in Soul Calibur III

• The names on this page have to be the originally used names (linked to the newly named articles). No-one changed all Prince's previous album covers to feature his symbol instead of his name, and the end credits to Terminal Velocity were not changed when Charlie Sheen wanted to go by the name Charles Sheen. This article isn't anything to do with Soul Calibur III and all information should pertain to the 1998 game; SoulCalibur. People will find out more information about Seung Mina and how her name changed when they click the blue link that takes them to her page. 86.128.57.200 19:15, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

The official way of spelling the title: Soulcalibur?

It's been said that the legandary sword is called the "Soulcalibur"--one word. I cannot find where I heard this, though.

--162.24.9.213 21:10, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Namco's official website has it as Soulcalibur. Also, the official name of the sequel is "Soulcalibur II"

--162.24.9.213 21:49, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Isn't the official Namco way to spell "Soul Calibur" suppose to be as a compound word. ("Soulcalibur") If you go to the official Namco Soulcalibur II website. They spell it as a compound word. IGN is spelling it as compound word with its part III preview. If you read the stories on the "Weapon Master" mode on Soulcalibur II, they spell it as a compound word. I'm purposing to rename all the Soulcalibur articles as a compound word. --Krystyn Dominik 04:19, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

• Oh yeah, I also wanted to add the official Soulcalibur III website has this: SOULCALIBUR®&©1995 1998 2002 2003 2005 NAMCO LTD.,. Notice, there is no space between the copyright notice. --Krystyn Dominik 04:22, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Honestly, it can go either way. Neither is really inherently more correct than the other, since the names are synonomous with each other. What you're proposing is, quite frankly, completely trivial and unnecessary. --Shackleton (26 July 2005)

Triviality aside, the 'official' spelling has always been either compound or camelcase - SoulCalibur. There are breeds of people about who take this sort of thing seriously, regardless of what it means to the average person.

--216.78.96.151 (27 Jan 2006)

"Note: Namco USA insists on spelling the game's title as one word: Soulcalibur II." [1]

Actually, that is only according to IGN, which is not Namco USA. If you look at other gaming websites like MobyGames, it is camelcase. Bovineboy2008 (talk) 17:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, there you have it. --SeizureDog 03:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Soul Blade

The article says Soul Edge was the first game of the series. Wasn't it Soul Blade?

SoulEdge was the first game in the series, an arcade-only release. SoulBlade was the PlayStation port of the game, with added content.

216.78.96.151 06:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

From the Soul Edge article...

Soul Edge (retitled Soul Blade for the PlayStation in Europe, North America and Australia) is the first installment in the Soul series of fighting games.

- Stormwatch 23:30, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Weapon demos + Soundtrack

I feel something ought to be said about the weapon demos unlockable in the console versions of this game - something unique to the Soul Calibur series? Also, I have hear it said that some music tracks - I cannot remember which - play "in time" to the demonstrations. Confirmation and clarification of this would be interesting.

Yoshimitsu's style = Tekken 3?

Yoshimitsu's style, including the special moves, seems to be taken from the PSX game Tekken 3. The styles match as far as I can see, byt maybe someone with more Yoshi experience can confirm/deny it?

While the two incarnations of Yoshimitsu do share some moves, they are very different from each other. The Soul Calibur incarnation, for example,uses his sword much more often than its Tekken counterpart. They also differ in that they use different fighting engines.134.121.126.60 01:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Screenshots

Screenshots of Yoshimitsu in action and his sword:

SuperJ9587 09:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Um... Content?

What sort of content should go on this page. I mean, if someone went through the effor to separate this from the first game of the Soul series, there should at least be some information on this page.

Does anybody have a complete story containing all events from Soul Edge to Soul Calibur II (as the events of Soul Calibur III are not yet known)? That would be a start, I think... You Can't See Me! 08:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Wait, I didn't notice that redirect. Still, the content of the List of Soul Calibur Titles lacks importance, especially since there is an infobox at the bottom with all of the titles already on it. Making it a Soul Calibur (Series) page would make it more notible. You Can't See Me! 08:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Character Analysis

I have posted a comment in the discussion page of Soul Calibur III, please read this and post your thoughts: LINK Mr.bonus 13:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Character Article Names

I have just moved all Soul Edge/Calibur character's articles to use the most commonly used name as the article title. After being part of a debate over Street Fighter character article names for over a month, the decision was in agreement of my proposal to use the most common name as the article title and not their full biographical name (this information belongs in the first sentence of the article itself). Please do not move the articles back as this was decided as the correct method for article names. Please see Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-12-21_Street_Fighter_character_articles and Talk:E. Honda for the resaoning. Thanks Mr.bonus 22:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Renaming

I just changed the idiotic (you're obsessed with this sudden renaming, but missed it out even after I pointed it out for you!) title of "Soul Calibur: The Movie" (the future? film) into the proper "Soulcalibur (the movie)". It should actually be just Soulcalibur, but I don't have skills leet enough to change the Soul Calibur game back after you messed this up (now it occupies the space).

This game was sold and marketed as Soul Calibur (I would dig up the official site but now it's gone, so maybe just check out the official site for Soul Calibur II which took its place, and the spelling). --HanzoHattori 08:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

It's called SOUL <---THERES A SPACE HERE----> CALIBUR not soulcalibur jesus come on people.

The Japanese trademark is registered as "SOULCALIBUR". No space. It's ugly, but official, apparently. 'Doesn't tell us if it should be "Soulcalibur" or "SoulCalibur" though. 88.161.129.43 (talk) 18:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Seperate Article for the Actual Swords?

Forgive me if I'm being terribly obtuse here, but is there a separate article for the Swords SoulCalibur and SoulEdge? I have been looking and can't find one. The two swords are really pivotal to the series plots- arguably more important than a lot of the individual characters- and I think they deserve an article. Aside from anything else it's really annoying trying to piece together their history from all the other articles. Particularly who had what sword when (Algol --> Cervantes --> Nightmare??). They could, of course, share the same article since they're very much interlinked, but I think they deserve some space to themselves. I'd have a bash at writing one myself, but the reason I'm looking for them is because I don't know a whole lot of specifics about either. Darien Shields (talk) 16:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Character Roster

I have a bit of a problem with a phrase in the Character roster section, specifically the following sentance:

"Of the three main protagonists, Kilik's moveset was largely taken from Seung Mi Na, Xianghua's from Hwang..."

As someone who has played both games quite thoroughly I can tell you that is simply not true.

In Soul Edge, Hwang was originally a palette swap for Mitsurugi, and on the console version, Soul Blade, they shared nearly identical moves. When Hwang returned for the Dreamcast port of Soulcalibur his moveset was largely based on Xianghua, not the other way around, and complimented with unique kicks.

Similarly, Kilik also had an original moveset as compared to the previous game, while Seung Mi Na's movelist was largely replaced with his, mixing in kicks from Hwang. In fact in Soulcalibur IV Mi Na still has an attack string of kicks that was originally Hwang's.

If there are no objections, I'd like to rephrase the information to more accurately reflect things.--199.79.10.117 (talk) 15:53, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Naming issues

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Closing discussion as going nowhere. If you have concerns about Japanese romanization on Wikipedia, feel free to bring your concerns to WT:MOS-JA. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 03:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I understand that there's been a ton of issues with how the name should be written in English, but the following holds true for this and every single game in the Soul series.

1. "ソウル" is not romanized as "Souru" according to WP:MOS-JA. Unless the pronunciation of the name in Japanese clearly annunciates the "u", it should be romanized as "Sōru". The English pronunciation just treats "ou" as a long o in "Soul" leading to be read as "sōl" or in IPA /soʊl/.
2. The name (in Japan) is branded as "Soul Calibur". Therefore, the romanization of the title (the third field in {{nihongo}}) should show that it is two words (as "Sōru Kyaribā").
3. As nearly every English language box art for the game shows the C in "Calibur" capitalized, why not have these pages at "SoulCalibur"? The only game that does not appear to match this is Soulcalibur Legends.

—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 11:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

1. The "u" signifying a long "o" sound applies to Japanese words, actual Japanese language, which "soul" / "souru" isn't. As for the pronunciation, you can also find "va" sounds in non-Japanese words rendered in kana. How are they romanized? "Va". How are they actually pronounced by Japanese people though? Same thing here.

As for that manual of style... I think it needs some revamping. If only to fill the loophole we just fell in, for example: the first point is the one that mentions how "ou" should be romanized, but it's about "words in kanji and kana". There's a second point about words in katakana (despite the fact this should also fall in the "words of kanji and kana" section, technically, as katakana are kana... the obvious implication is that we're now talking about non-Japanese words: "use the English spelling if available [...] If an English spelling is not available, but a spelling from another language of origin exists") but it doesn't say anything about how to romanize "ou". For starters, a more sensible categorization (the current phrasing certainly seems to imply a "Japanese words versus non-Japanese words" one, but Japanese words can be written in katakana, and vice-versa). And an actual (as in, detailed) description of the Revised Hepburn romanization (maybe even a sourced one, while we're at it?) wouldn't hurt either...

2. Maybe I missed something, but it doesn't look like you have produced a source for the title being "Soul Calibur" (in two words) in Japan. While I did find some instances of the words being separated (on a Japanese official guide, for example, off the top of my head), I checked the trademarks as filed by Namco (yes, in Japan[2]) and couldn't find any evidence of this: the title was always spelled as "SOULCALIBUR" (all caps, unfortunately) and "ソウルキャリバー".

3. I'd probably agree with this. The only detail that bothers me is that I seem to remember IGN mentioning that Namco (or was it already Bandai Namco by then?) specifically told them to spell the title "Soulcalibur". Then again, maybe IGN was simply surprised that the two words were apparently supposed to be attached and didn't pay attention to a capital "C" in the notice they got? Maybe Namco just told them it was "SOULCALIBUR" and the "Soulcalibur" capitalization was IGN's idea? You never know. Did you check the non-Japanese trademarks? Erigu (talk) 16:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

"ソウル" is a Japanese word, although English in origin. Soul Eater uses the macron in the o for the reading and that is dictated by WP:MOS-JA. There are only a very small handful of instances where an "ou" is written as such in romaji, and that's when the ou is at the end of a verb that normally ends with o (like with seou (背負う)). And I am seeing the use of "SOULCALIBUR" in Japanese official sources. I'll fix that. I think the CamelCase to "SoulCalibur" would be the best bet to move on.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:34, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

As far as correct titles go, boxarts are not the best guides because they're supposed to be all artistic and stylised and pretty. http://namcobandaigames.com uses "Soulcalibur", as does http://soulcalibur.com and more or less everywhere else. – Steel 00:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, both use "SOULCALIBUR" with the S and C bigger than the other letters.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I mean in normal text, not in the logo. "With each iteration in the Soulcalibur franchise, comes new and exciting developments and Soulcalibur IV is no different"[3] and so on. – Steel 00:14, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

That does seem to coincide with what IGN said about the title... Erigu (talk) 01:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

"ソウル" is a Japanese word, although English in origin.

C'mon, you know what I meant by that. ^_^;

Soul Eater uses the macron in the o for the reading and that is dictated by WP:MOS-JA.

Er... That's exactly what you said above already, except with another title that contains the word "Soul"... That doesn't exactly further your argument. ^^;

There are only a very small handful of instances where an "ou" is written as such in romaji, and that's when the ou is at the end of a verb that normally ends with o (like with seou (背負う)).

There would be other cases, actually, such as the name "Inoue", for example. Yes, those obviously aren't meant to be long "o" sounds, so...

I think the CamelCase to "SoulCalibur" would be the best bet to move on.

Like I said, I personally would like that better as well... But a solid source would be nice.

Also, the title is actually in all caps, on those boxes, right? It's just that the "C" is emphasized / bigger... A technical detail, I know, but... Erigu (talk) 01:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

"Soul" is meant to be read with a long O. There is no way to read it when not it is a long O.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

"Soul" is meant to be read with a long O.

Do you have a source?

There is no way to read it when not it is a long O.

There are other ways to read "ou" than a long "o": Japanese people obviously can pronounce "seou" or "Inoue".

And you didn't address any of my arguments above... Erigu (talk) 17:09, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

How the heck do you pronounce the English word "Soul"? "So-ool"? The word is read with a long o in both languages. "Seou" and "Inoue" are some of the few exceptions. "Soul" or "Souru" is not. Everthing else I have agreed with you on, but the romanization rules for "ソウル" on Wikipedia should be "Sōru".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

How the heck do you pronounce the English word "Soul"?

[sohl]. Just like "bowl" is pronunced [bohl] and written "ボウル" in kana. Whereas "ball" ([bawl]) is written "ボール" in kana. Hopefully, you see what I'm getting at, here.

"Seou" and "Inoue" are some of the few exceptions. "Soul" or "Souru" is not.

Saying it is one thing, proving it is another... Erigu (talk) 23:36, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

"Soul" is also written as "ソール". Check ja:ソール. And that just means they pronounce "Bowl" and "Ball" the same way in Japan.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

There's also ja:ボール (曖昧さ回避)

"Soul" is also written as "ソール". Check ja:ソール

And it's so common none of the cited examples use the "ソール" spelling. ^^;

that just means they pronounce "Bowl" and "Ball" the same way in Japan.

I don't see how this means that, sorry... The same page you linked to also says that Sól's name can be spelled either as "ソール" or "ソル". Does that imply that "ソール" and "ソル" are pronounced the same way?

And again, even if Japanese people pronounced "ソウル" just like "ソール", that wouldn't necessarily mean the same romanization should apply. I already mentioned the "ヴァ" sound, above.

The instance with the "vu" katakana is completely different than that with the reading of these. The words are pronounced the same in Japanese. "Soul", "Seoul", "bowl", and "ball" all rhyme in Japanese.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Again, you're just stating this without backing it up. Erigu (talk) 12:09, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

That's what the katakana and my knowledge of the Japanese phonetic alphabets is telling me.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:08, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, they're telling me otherwise, obviously...

Seriously though. You've only been referring to the Wiki manual saying that "ou" stands (well, generally) for a long "o" sound and thus should be romanized as "ō". But you're only assuming that also applies to gairaigo. When the same manual mentions gairaigo in katakana, there's nothing about "ou" still being supposed to be romanized as "ō".

I could also point out that they romanize long "a" sounds as "ā" when talking about gairaigo in katakana, and as "aa" before that. That certainly seems to go against your expectations that whatever goes for ("true") Japanese words also goes for gairaigo... Erigu (talk) 18:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I know that "ou" and "oo" are both usually pronounced as the long o in Japanese, which is written as "ō" in Hepburn romaji. Just because the "soul" in "soulcalibur" is not written as "ソール" (which most people normally romanize as "sooru") but as "ソウル" (which is normally romanized as "souru") does not mean that they are not pronounced differently. If you feel I am wrong, read WP:MOS-JA or bring it up with the people there.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:10, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Just because the "soul" in "soulcalibur" is not written as "ソール" (which most people normally romanize as "sooru")

"Most people", really? Well, that's not revised Hepburn, anyway.

If you feel I am wrong, read WP:MOS-JA

Oh, come on... You are reading my replies, right? ^^; Erigu (talk) 09:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Per WP:MOS-JA, it should be romanized as sōru. There is no exception to apply here. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 04:07, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Again, the manual doesn't say anything about that. And there are exceptions not mentioned by the manual (I brought up the "va" sound above, for example). Erigu (talk) 09:53, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

"Va" is not an exception, but is part of revised Hepburn. You can argue about this until you're blue in the face and it won't change anything. The MOS-JA specifically states:

For transliterations from kanji and kana, long o and u are written with macrons as ō and ū respectively.

This applies here. The next point talks about transliterating from katakana, but none of the points in it apply here, so we go with the one I mentioned above. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 18:18, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

The first point talks about long "o" sounds, but is that really just a long "o" sound, in "ソウル"? Why write it like that, then? Why not "ソール"? Is that really just a regular long "e" sound, in "スペイン"?

There's information loss, here, and it doesn't seem justified at all to me.

And then...

The next point talks about transliterating from katakana

Indeed, it does! You'd think that implies the first point wasn't about that.

but none of the points in it apply here

So you're saying the manual is being exhaustive, here? Despite the fact it doesn't even mention the "va" thing, for example?

I mean, that sure is a really short "description of revised Hepburn" (and it's not sourced either, which is... well...). And the whole thing is strangely phrased (the first point is about transliterations from kanji and kana, and the second one about transliterations from katakana? really? am I the only one who sees the problem, here? ... and the second point tells you what to do when there's "no English spelling available"... yeah, I guess that might happen when the gairaigo isn't even based on an English word in the first place! ^^; and the manual doesn't seem to make up its mind between "revised Hepburn" and "modified Hepburn"... it's a bit of a mess, really...). Erigu (talk) 23:11, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I think this has gone on way too long. ソウル is written as "sōru" per Wikipedia policy. End of discussion.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:14, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Great attitude, there. Really.

And was there even a "discussion"? You just kept linking to WP:MOS-JA without ever addressing my arguments regarding that manual's flaws. It's not sourced, it's far from being exhaustive, and it's contradictory in places. But hey, "it's policy". Good talk!

It looks like you're forgetting that "ou" being read an a long "o" sound is an irregularity in the first place. Just like "ei" being read as a long "e" sound is. Normally, "u" should be read "u", and "i" should be read "i". It's an extremely common irregularity, so of course we're all used to it... but it's still an irregularity. So when you're arguing that you don't see any reason to make an "exception" for "souru", that sounds like nonsense to me.

If you think about how "ou" came to be read as a long "o" sound in some cases, you should realize that it has absolutely nothing to do with the (decidedly modern) decision to render the English word "soul" as "souru" in katakana. Erigu (talk) 02:36, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

That doesn't mean anything. The way that the romanization is done on the English Wikipedia is "sōru" and not "souru". There is nothing you can say that will change that. If you have issues with it, bring it up at WT:MOS-JA. As far as I'm concerned, these pages are now in line with that policy. Your constant nitpicking has not been helpful at all.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:51, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Fine. Thank you for not even listening. Erigu (talk) 03:11, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

It's hard to listen when you keep complaining about the policy Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) in the exact same way. It says that we should use this particular romanization scheme. If you want to bring up its flaws, do it at its talk page, not this one. There is nothing you have said that tells me that this should be written as "souru". The editors at The SoulTaker, Soul Eater (manga), Persona: Trinity Soul, Dragon Soul, and Bleach (manga) don't seem to have the same problem that you do across these Soul Series pages.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

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Links for Some Characters

I was reading this article, and some of the names link to List of Sould series characters, when they have their own page. I would fix this, but i have no idea what im doing, and would probably screw it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.171.140.103 (talk) 22:52, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

A source for Development?

I have recently stumbled upon an interview from what seems Namco's insider corporate newsletter that perhaps could be useful for fleshing out the article's Development section. However, my Japanese is near non-existent and those "Google Translate"-type sites are far too unreliable, so it would be great if a fellow Wikipedian who knows the language could lend me a hand here. —Electroguv (talk) 21:47, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

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It is shown in the ending credits in-game. Homechallenge55 (talk) 18:59, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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